There's also a technical version of this post: https://blog.cloudflare.com/warp-technical-challenges/ I'm hyped to see Rust code running on so many phones.
I wonder if any popular applications for a mobile platform ship with Rust code already.
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree using Cloudflare proxy (or really any VPN) gives the company a lot of power. But the idea of Cloudflare intercepting all of my traffic doesn't bother me since the alternative is simply another company (Spectrum, or my random friend's wifi, or Starbucks) intercepting all of my traffic by virtue of being my ISP. It's up to you which is the lesser of two evils. I suppose Cloudflare may have more insight into the…
I can believe that Cloudflare's current leadership are currently more conscientious than, say, Comcast's. But, especially post-IPO, what is that actually worth? I think that, worldwide, it's likely that Cloudflare is already bigger than Comcast. So, unless I'm given evidence to the contrary, I think Comcast is the lesser evil.
My sense was that Comcast is far bigger than cloudflare, and from my googling that appears to be the case.
Xfinity: $52 B revenue 2017
Comcast holdings (the parent of xfinity, couldn't find numbers for xfinity): 184,000 employees
Cloudflare: < $ 0.2 B revenue 2018, several thousand employees (looks like less than 2000)
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#83There's also a technical version of this post: https://blog.cloudflare.com/warp-technical-challenges/ I'm hyped to see Rust code running on so many phones.
I wonder if any popular applications for a mobile platform ship with Rust code already.
There have been some instances of this before; at least one game was implemented in Rust. But, given the length of the Warp waitlist, I'm pretty sure this is the most popular application so far. There could be things I don't know about though, at this point Rust is big enough that not everyone who uses it talks about it publicly.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? The arbiters of the internet? You don't think that's maybe a little melodramatic? Cloudflare has, time and time again demonstrated openness, transparency, and insight into their technical and ethical frameworks. I trust them a whole lot more than my isp or any random vpn provider.
> The arbiters of the internet? You don't think that's maybe a little melodramatic? As someone who has browsed sites "powered by cloudflare" over Tor and been tossed into an infinite "are you human" loop, it certainly doesn't feel melodramatic. They've also exercised power over websites based on moral outrage. Perhaps 99.999% of people agree with the morals behind this decision, and maybe it's even the right decision…
There are no neutral parties on the Internet.
Pick the evil you're most comfortable with.
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#85If I were to use a VPN I'd stick with providers with proven track records of responding to court orders with empty logs, not the company with a CEO who capriciously kicks sites off their platform in response to online mobs.
I'd also feel very uneasy with continuing to feed the consolidation of the internet's traffic. Giving full control of your phone's routing to Cloudflare is sold as improving performance, but what it also does is give Cloudflare a lot of flexibility to pay less in transit costs and have a stronger position for peering agreements. Today that might be good in preventing ISP shakedowns, but very bad tomorrow if ISPs have to pay Cloudflare for the privilege of accessing the majority of the internet.
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#86Just wanted to say Thank You. I could only wish this was released a little sooner, but better late than Never. The Hong Kong people desperately need something like this to avoid ISP monitoring. I wonder if something similar is planned for Windows and Mac? P.S Regarding the 10GB, have been on the waiting list since April 1st, nothing shown up yet.
Thank you! I have been waiting since April and also on the Testflight beta. Have been looking forward to recommending this to my friends and family that needs a casual VPN for those use cases where they are visiting a unfamiliar hotspot.
Heads up that the 10GB is also not showing up.
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#87[In order to not spread bad info I'm deleting my paragraph where I misunderstand what WARP is]
Even this blog post is confusing "From a technical perspective, WARP is a VPN." Then contrasts WARP with a "traditional VPN"
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#88I can't really see the value proposition here. Most use a VPN to add a layer of anonymity (hidden IP) and to circumvent geo blocking. All this does is hide unencrypted traffic from the local network and maybe give a moderate speedup, but one that will probably be restricted to non-Cloudflare properties. For other properties, especially high-traffic ones with their own fancy routing logic, this will probably be more d…
I'm in the (likely) target demographic for this (and just signed up for the paid version). I don't care about true anonymity or geo-blocking - what I care about is that Verizon/Comcast both do HEAVY traffic shaping to suit them, not me. I.e. I'm promised "720p" video quality on Netflix when streaming over LTE and yet, for some strange reason that goly gee I can't quite understand (/s) it's never very good and always slow, even with full signal.
I'd rather just encrypt all my traffic and let Cloudflare make the routing decisions - that alone is worth an extra $5/month.
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#89I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…
How would your “better Internet” work when it reaches an ocean? Maybe this doesn’t matter to you, as someone who lives in the US and mostly access websites hosted in the US; but for the majority of the world, getting access to “the Internet” is more about tapping into the millisecond-latency backbone of submarine cables, than it is about last-mile residential ISPs. Those submarine cables form a natural monopoly, there’s no escaping that. They’re utility infrastructure, like country-spanning bridges.
And the usual (optimal?) outcome for ownership of utility infrastructure, is that it gets held as a “public resource” by the government of the country or countries that built it; and then companies are contracted to manage it. From there, you end up with multilateral organizations weaving those pieces of infrastructure together in a top-down way (like shipping routes, or the postal system, or, hopefully one day, low-earth orbit.)
Which is far from an anarchosyndicalist mesh of interested companies, organizations, and individuals (ala the early Internet, or the HAM radio network), but we’ve never seen an ararchosyndicalist mesh successfully serving as a reliable/fault-tolerant backbone for any commercial endeavour so far, and I don’t know if it could.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree using Cloudflare proxy (or really any VPN) gives the company a lot of power. But the idea of Cloudflare intercepting all of my traffic doesn't bother me since the alternative is simply another company (Spectrum, or my random friend's wifi, or Starbucks) intercepting all of my traffic by virtue of being my ISP. It's up to you which is the lesser of two evils. I suppose Cloudflare may have more insight into the…
Is your legal relationship with Cloudfare the same as with your ISP? Is Cloudfare liable for the same things as the ISP? Genuinely asking, I have no clue, just a vague sense that it's not apples to apples.
Very good point... Cloudflare is probably considered a third party according to the law... so no warrant is needed to get all of your data that is 6 months or older... a bit like your email hosted in the cloud: https://newspunch.com/government-can-read-any-email-over-six...
The law is wrong in this case, of course.