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Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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Post by alexis_fr »

mirimir wrote: post #51
ccday wrote: post #27

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One of the professors quoted in the article suggests otherwise: > The system promulgated a definition of sexual misconduct so expansive that it “plausibly covers almost all sex students are having today,” as Gersen wrote in an article in the California Law Review.

Yes, and TFA also quotes this from her: > "Lots of people disagree about where to draw the line. But most people would want to draw a line so there is such a thing as consensual sex." Also this amazing quote from some activist: > As Catharine Mackinnon, the progenitor of the school of feminism from which this movement proceeds, once put it, "Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated." So…

This is correct. That’s what is called the MGTOW philosophy. A lot of men are disengaging. However, I have very few data to understand whether this is as new as they present it, or whether there has always been 30% of men who disengaged from the dating pool throughout history.

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Hitton wrote: post #239
benj111 wrote: post #190

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"it's about 60 more years for anti-black biases to be eliminated, 140 years for skin tone biases against darker skin to go away" Why the distinction? Will black people still be facing skin tone biases in 61 years? What even is a skin tone bias? I'm pretty sure this isn't a bias against people who come back from holiday with a tan, which suggests it's not about skin tone, so racism?

Skin tone bias is independent of race, because it often manifests inside the race boundaries. Among Indians https://theconversation.com/bleached-girls-india-and-its-lov... Among African-Americans https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1988-35485-001 Among East Asians https://nextshark.com/east-asian-pale-skin-beauty-standard/ Difference Between Racism and Colorism: https://time.com/4512430/colorism-in-america/

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Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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Post by juststeve »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #193
ars wrote: post #191

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You have cause and effect backwards. Those people you are thinking of are well known for what they do outside of HN, and then they attract a following on HN.

I have reason to believe that is not universally true. Again, I'm not interested in naming names. I don't believe that goes good places.

why do you expect that the leader board means anything? they are just internet points, no?

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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Post by DisruptiveDave »

In my junior year of college (very early 2000s), a senior friend was accused of rape by a classmate. Within two days he had to hide out at my girlfriend's house because a large group of large athletes was on the hunt for him to beat him up. Within weeks he was expelled from school. I don't recall the police ever being contacted.

Turns out the girl was ashamed she voluntarily slept with him. She admitted it to friends a couple months later. That was too late, of course. She received zero punishment. He was "lucky" that the police weren't notified on Day 1.

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Post by NateEag »

pjc50 wrote: post #225
wutbrodo wrote: post #9

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Exactly, racism is much more of a fully-stable equilibrium than sexism, since full dehumanization of the other sex is always going to be impossible, if only due to adjacency. And adjacency can be critical to rights movements: one of the big successes of the gay rights movement was combating the stereotype of evil deviants through a strategy of positioning gay people as neighbors, brothers, sons, etc; regular people w…

> full dehumanization of the other sex is always going to be impossible .. I mean, the Saudi king has lots of wives but until recently wouldn't allow any of them to drive? For a closer example, there are plenty of married Republican politicians who are willing to make statements on abortion that imply they have no idea how the reproductive system works.

> For a closer example, there are plenty of married Republican politicians who are willing to make statements on abortion that imply they have no idea how the reproductive system works.

Such as?

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Post by wccrawford »

DisruptiveDave wrote: post #254

In my junior year of college (very early 2000s), a senior friend was accused of rape by a classmate. Within two days he had to hide out at my girlfriend's house because a large group of large athletes was on the hunt for him to beat him up. Within weeks he was expelled from school. I don't recall the police ever being contacted. Turns out the girl was ashamed she voluntarily slept with him. She admitted it to friends…

I was once told (very emphatically) that no woman would lie about being raped because it's such a horrible thing. I just stood agape.

People like about horrible things all the time to hide things that they think are more horrible.

Worse, some people don't care about anyone but themselves, and will lie for any advantage or benefit.

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Post by SubuSS »

esyir wrote: post #182
tzs wrote: post #59

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How would bias toward gay people fit in with that? A lot of people don't know (or at least aren't aware that they know) anyone gay, but bias toward gay people has dramatically fallen over the last couple of decades. There was a recent episode of "Hidden Brain" on NPR that talked about this [1]. This part is particularly interesting: > In a thought experiment, Mahzarin and her colleagues have extended the trend lines…

Could you define bias against obesity and elderly here? If I were to categorize the elderly as generally less capable than say, a man in his 40s, I would also generally be right. Age comes with it's demerits, and recognizing this would not be anti-elderly bias. From what I gather, bias is an issue when it unfairly penalizes people for factors outside their control that do not significantly impact their capability.

Bias is more about assigning judgments to a person based on visible qualities rather than actual capabilities.

IOW - Elderly people who can actually code get discriminated against all the time (for basic coding jobs, but obviously everyone thinks they got the next Microsoft brewing). This gets justified in many ways around 'agility', 'flexibility' etc. but in essence it is bias.

In some cases there might be actual reasons like you say, problem comes when it is a summary judgment. In general people don't like being judged I guess, and when necessary - like to be judged based on their actual impact. (Granted there are probably also folks who will cry discrimination when there are actual reasons ... I guess we just funded hr eh :).

I have heard same goes for overweight people.

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Post by logicprog »

oijqoiwejoiqwj wrote: post #160

Unfortunately, I do not believe these ridiculous university tribunals will come to an end anytime soon. In fact, I think the problem will get much, much worse before it gets better. They are a symptom of a much larger problem. Without distracting with any specific cases, it's very clear that the modern world is shifting away from the presumption of innocence. This, combined with an internet that remembers forever and…

This is amazing, thank you for posting this! I've been thinking along these exact lines for a very long time (especially since I just started at a university), but didn't want to speak up here because I was sure I'd get a chorus of accusations of sexism. But since you put this here, I thought I'd just give you a little encouragement.

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Post by pjc50 »

NateEag wrote: post #255
pjc50 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> full dehumanization of the other sex is always going to be impossible .. I mean, the Saudi king has lots of wives but until recently wouldn't allow any of them to drive? For a closer example, there are plenty of married Republican politicians who are willing to make statements on abortion that imply they have no idea how the reproductive system works.

> For a closer example, there are plenty of married Republican politicians who are willing to make statements on abortion that imply they have no idea how the reproductive system works. Such as?

The "way to shut that down" comment was the one that I was thinking of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Akin#Controversial_commen... , but I'm sure people can find others.

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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Post by kenneth »

DisruptiveDave wrote: post #254

In my junior year of college (very early 2000s), a senior friend was accused of rape by a classmate. Within two days he had to hide out at my girlfriend's house because a large group of large athletes was on the hunt for him to beat him up. Within weeks he was expelled from school. I don't recall the police ever being contacted. Turns out the girl was ashamed she voluntarily slept with him. She admitted it to friends…

We should make the punishment for falsely accusing someone of rape equivalent to the punishment for rape. That's take care of the problem.
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