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Re: iPadOS

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Post by kayoone »

markstos wrote: post #276
crooked-v wrote: post #257

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> you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up I... but... how in the world is anyone ever supposed to know that exists???

As an occasional iPad user, I find the interface somewhat bewildering, even as a power user of other devices. I want to search to see if an app is installed. I expect an Overview screen that's easily accessible for this like Android, Gnome or Chrome OS, but on iOS I have to swipe left a few times? Weird. I want to switch wireless network I'm connected to. I correctly guess that I can swipe down to make a wireless ico…

Not saying you are wrong, but you can long press the wifi button to bring up a sub menu and then long press it again get a list of networks.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by Nr7 »

kayoone wrote: post #351
markstos wrote: post #276

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As an occasional iPad user, I find the interface somewhat bewildering, even as a power user of other devices. I want to search to see if an app is installed. I expect an Overview screen that's easily accessible for this like Android, Gnome or Chrome OS, but on iOS I have to swipe left a few times? Weird. I want to switch wireless network I'm connected to. I correctly guess that I can swipe down to make a wireless ico…

Not saying you are wrong, but you can long press the wifi button to bring up a sub menu and then long press it again get a list of networks.

Which is pretty much exactly how Android works as well.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by saagarjha »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #188
saagarjha wrote: post #183

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> That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. > Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument. Not native code.

> it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. It is expected of a company which boasts about security and privacy of its users as a premium selling point, although it is questionable now[1]. Besides, MacOS has been receiving Safari updates separately. Also android has been decoupling several system services with every iteration now, soon crucial system services would be updated from PlayStore and so even if…

> Besides, MacOS has been receiving Safari updates separately.

Sure, but the company is doing extra work to provide this. It might be a worthwhile decision to make but it’s certainly not a free gain.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by pjmlp »

biztos wrote: post #224
pjmlp wrote: post #208

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So not Apple's target audience of Mac developers, developing Mac software.

Not that target audience, definitely. But I wouldn't underestimate how much productive software was used on Macs via Telnet, at corporations and at universities as well as by random hackers who loved the Mac GUI.

I kind of would, given how little presence Mac OS (pre-OS X) had outside US market.

We were all using a mix of MS-DOS/Windows, Amiga and Ataris.

What I remember was getting Small-C and K&R C compilers to kind of get corporation/university work done at home, no one was that rich enough to pay for telnet connections over long term dialups.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by mercacona »

crooked-v wrote: post #257
0x38B wrote: post #247

I highly recommend reading the MacStories review of iOS and iPadOS 13 [1]. Thirty (!) pages. It's like the manual that Apple forgot. Case in point: you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up. Extensive coverage of multitasking features, as well. There's definitely a learning curve with all these possibilities - s…

> you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up I... but... how in the world is anyone ever supposed to know that exists???

> I... but... how in the world is anyone ever supposed to know that exists???

Advertising teaches a lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Glc2mHLPRM

Since the WWDC, Apple has promoted that feature wildly. There are many other features people will miss, but not that one.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by lewisl9029 »

Spivak wrote: post #282
tenebrisalietum wrote: post #277

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It's funny because this was one of the big issues I kept hearing (and agreed with myself) about Windows 8 - all the things that can happen when you hover in the corners and the hideous "charms" bar. I really REALLY wish buttons would come back in style.

The problem with buttons is that they’re visual clutter once you learn the gesture. This is a yet unsolved problem with making an interface discoverable but having it disappear once discovered without having two separate UIs. Can you imagine if there was a persistent button at the top of your screen that said “Open Notifications?”

Command palettes in modern editors (usually ctrl/cmd+shift+p) are an excellent solution to this UX problem imo.

You can discover some functionality you're looking for by searching for it and activating it from the palette for the first few times, and if you find the functionality useful enough you can spend a few brain cycles learning/configuring the shortcut to accelerate it.

I think a similar paradigm can work for gestures on mobile as well. Some master gesture to open up a searchable list of context sensitive commands, and some mechanism to map new gestures to frequently used commands.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by diffeomorphism »

mistersquid wrote: post #213
username3 wrote: post #207

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iPad Air 2 users beware. An iPadOS update made my iPad 1 useless and crash all the time.

> An iPadOS update made my iPad 1 useless and crash all the time. Do you mean mean an iOS update? iPadOS was not released until today, 24 Sep 2019.

That is a distinction without a difference.

"iPadOS (then still called iOS) update".

Re: iPadOS

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Post by whynaut »

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #175
whynaut wrote: post #151

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> In theory, yes, but not in practice. For example All of those are examples of unresponsiveness..

Nah. Unresponsive = the app’s main event loop is not processing events. On macOS this is when the beach ball cursor is shown. In fact there’s a built-in watchdog in iOS that’ll kill your app after 10 seconds if the main thread is not processing events. On the other hand an app can break in a variety of ways which won’t involve blocking the main thread, e.g. by simply opening a popup that can’t be closed, or getting s…

> Unresponsive = the app’s main event loop is not processing events

> an app can break in a variety of ways which won’t involve blocking the main thread

I’m not saying you’re incorrect, but for the vast majority of users, any input that doesn’t yield an immediate response = unresponsive.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by theshrike79 »

gridlockd wrote: post #338
ogre_codes wrote: post #297

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Smartphones, tablets, Windows, Macs, Linux... they are all similar products targeting marginally different markets. I use my iPad for the same things I used my Linux desktop for not long ago. There are some things one does better than the other, but ultimately there is much more overlap than differences. The bigger the difference in form factor, the bigger the difference in use cases. Also, less folks forget... Andro…

> I use my iPad for the same things I used my Linux desktop for not long ago. There are some things one does better than the other, but ultimately there is much more overlap than differences. I really really don't get this. I like the iPad, but Apple wants to sell me this idea that the iPad is an actual* computer. It's not. It's a toy computer. It's fun. It's not serious. Stop pretending, Apple. *) An actual computer…

Just because you can't do "actual work" on a toy iPad, it doesn't mean it's useless for everyone.

I've done production deployments with an iPad + smart keyboard + blink shell, works just fine.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by gridlockd »

theshrike79 wrote: post #359
gridlockd wrote: post #338

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> I use my iPad for the same things I used my Linux desktop for not long ago. There are some things one does better than the other, but ultimately there is much more overlap than differences. I really really don't get this. I like the iPad, but Apple wants to sell me this idea that the iPad is an actual* computer. It's not. It's a toy computer. It's fun. It's not serious. Stop pretending, Apple. *) An actual computer…

Just because you can't do "actual work" on a toy iPad, it doesn't mean it's useless for everyone. I've done production deployments with an iPad + smart keyboard + blink shell, works just fine.

> blink shell

In other words, you did use an actual computer, but remotely.

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