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Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by JadeNB »

killjoywashere wrote: post #16
antibland wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More heartbreaking would be if the pets of these suicide owners die of starvation over a period of terrifying, lonely days. It's more heartwarming, if anything, that a person who wishes to end their suffering still holds empathy and respect for the living.

The pets won't die of starvation. They tend to eat their former owners. Cats especially seem to go for the face. Source: am pathologist.

> The pets won't die of starvation. They tend to eat their former owners.

… and then die of starvation, presumably.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by masonic »

nradov wrote: post #92
masonic wrote: post #69

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... at the risk of the action being career-ending (or career progress ending).

No that's not a risk. EAPs are run by outside providers. Patient privacy rules prevent them from discussing anything with employers.

I've seen firsthand cases where EAP providers "leaked" details back to the employer.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by astura »

masonic wrote: post #69
nradov wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of large employers provide Employee Assistance Programs where employees (and family members) can talk to a judgment-free therapist for at least a few sessions. Those therapists are trained in suicide risk, and will report to the authorities if a patient seems likely to attempt suicide soon.

... at the risk of the action being career-ending (or career progress ending).

No.

I took short term disability leave to deal with severe mental health issues. My career didn't end, in fact, I got a promotion very shortly after returning to work. I didn't even lose my security clearance and I fully disclosed my hospitalization/disability leave. My clearance is required to do my job.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by kev009 »

homonculus1 wrote: post #91
kev009 wrote: post #79

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A white collar job can become a mental torture chamber if you are surrounded by bad people. There is an abundance of exploitation, bullying, futility, and lack of fulfillment in current tech culture and very little support structure. Mental welfare is very different from survival.

All of that plus bodily degradation can be true of blue collar jobs. Singling out white collar work comes across as out of touch and spoiled.

The response was specifically to somebody who is unsure why white collar workers can have a severe mental health crisis and that it is orthogonal to survival or financial well being or "being hard". Do you really think anyone on this site would claim blue collar workers don't confront suicide?

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by JetSpiegel »

kabdib wrote: post #41
markdown wrote: post #31

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You seriously think a bunch of citizens with long guns is going to be able to prevent tyranny by the greatest military force the world has ever known?

First, there's a deterrent effect. 300M guns (not spread out evenly, it looks like there's a power law distribution going on) is simply not ignorable. Nor is the culture that has them ignorable; these people are significantly better prepared than the usual resistance minority . . . the kind that has been know to hold out for decades against really well funded, state-sponsored opponents. Doesn't mean they're on your p…

> First, there's a deterrent effect. 300M guns (not spread out evenly, it looks like there's a power law distribution going on) is simply not ignorable.

- Evacuate POI to overseas territories / nuclear aircraft territories using the Air Force - Send in the tactical nukes - ... - Profit? Mostly death

Seems pretty ignorable to me.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by nradov »

masonic wrote: post #102
nradov wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No that's not a risk. EAPs are run by outside providers. Patient privacy rules prevent them from discussing anything with employers.

I've seen firsthand cases where EAP providers "leaked" details back to the employer.

Did you file a complaint with HHS?

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/filing-a-complaint/index.html

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by killjoywashere »

JadeNB wrote: post #101
killjoywashere wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pets won't die of starvation. They tend to eat their former owners. Cats especially seem to go for the face. Source: am pathologist.

> The pets won't die of starvation. They tend to eat their former owners. … and then die of starvation, presumably.

nah, the stink brings the neighbors before that.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

#108

Post by kerkeslager »

kerkeslager wrote: post #18
killjoywashere wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pets won't die of starvation. They tend to eat their former owners. Cats especially seem to go for the face. Source: am pathologist.

Well, your screen name was aptly chosen.

I just wanted to comment that my post wasn't intended as a criticism, even though it might have come across that way. Your screen name is humorous and your post was informative!

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by wallace_f »

schwurb wrote: post #88
wallace_f wrote: post #70

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It is hard to explain everything, but it started when I was a teenager and talked to people at my school about abuse at home. My father hired a team of lawyers after that and they cut a deal with child services which had me shipped off into the Troubled Teen Industry. There I experienced the start of this pattern of abuse and a cult of personality of put downs to me started. It sounds crazy, but I had some authoritie…

Hey there! I am sorry for what you have been through so far. Since I am to go soon, I will keep it short: 1) I heavily suggest going into counceling. The change of behaviour and self concept needed might be too much to manage on your own. 2) It is a unfortunate, but well-researched phenomenon that perpetuators go for a certain type of personality that expresses itself by way of talking an non-verbal communication. Th…

I don't know how to say this without it coming across the wrong way, but if we look back up the thread the topic was about victims having difficult social circumstances, or even just unsolvable, abusive ones.

I always see this pattern when talking about tyranny and its victims. When it is talked about in an abstracted sense (meaning you are distanced from the situation by time or place), it is almost always in the above context of toxic environments. But when it is addressed directly, the focus turns to the victim and trying to identify what is wrong with them, not with the group.

I know it is a long shot but I am really eager to document the extreme abusiveness and kind of life-ruining tyranny I've experienced. I want to raise awareness and stop this from happening to anyone else.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by wallace_f »

travisjungroth wrote: post #97
wallace_f wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is hard to explain everything, but it started when I was a teenager and talked to people at my school about abuse at home. My father hired a team of lawyers after that and they cut a deal with child services which had me shipped off into the Troubled Teen Industry. There I experienced the start of this pattern of abuse and a cult of personality of put downs to me started. It sounds crazy, but I had some authoritie…

Thank you for sharing. To me, every part of your story sounds completely believable. CPS has limited resources and a lawyered up parent can beat them. I’ve heard of institutions based on abuse like you described. Someone who went through what you did would likely end up homeless, but then there’s a chance they can beat that and get a good paying job. And then it’s a well known phenomenon that people who have been vic…

Thanks for responding, but I quit my job a several years ago and even left the country so I think this is not easy to come by.
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