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Re: iPadOS

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Post by pjmlp »

Infernal wrote: post #337
chaboud wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed that my iPad mini 2 finally falls off the list, but that thing is somewhat ancient. However, my Thinkpad X220 (maybe circa 2011?) still runs Windows 10 and Ubuntu, allowing it to stay up to date on security patches. In a way, Apple's support levels are only impressive because we're inured to quick device expiration in other contexts (e.g. phones).

To be fair, mobile development is a few years behind laptop development, and it makes sense that it would plateau later (thought with the current generation of smartphones we may be reaching that plateau). A 2011 MacBook Pro 13" is comparable to your X220 (dual core i7 available, 8GB supported RAM, Intel HD 3000 graphics) and while it does fall off the supported list for macOS Catalina (mid-2012 MBP is the earliest s…

Most likely none of them.

On Android if you are lucky, you would get one OS update and around one or two security updates. This on flagship devices.

Even Google's, are only guaranteed to get updates for three years, starting from the year the model was initially put on sale.

In any case, at least in most European consumer shops, you will see that the large majority of OEMs are migrating to hybrid laptops, convertibles with Windows 10 on them. The Android tablet section keeps getting smaller.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by Crosseye_Jack »

penagwin wrote: post #232
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #193

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> In apple's case you can't downgrade your OS version You can if the old version is still being signed by Apple. For example with the iPad Air 2 both iOS 12.4.1 and iPadOS 13.1 are currently being signed by Apple so you can downgrade for the time being. When will stop signing 12.4.1? Who knows.

They usually stop within a few weeks if I'm not mistaken. Also AFAIK you can only rollback if you're pretty technical too.

> you can only rollback if you're pretty technical.

I wouldn’t say that you need to be too technical. I’ve helped elderly people do a restore of their iPhone over the phone. The process is basically this.

Step 1) download the software package from Apples servers. Places like https://ipsw.me/ make it easy to see what is currently signed for your device and get the download link.

2) Install iTunes if you don’t have it already on your Computer, Open iTunes and connect the device to the computer.

3) In the device options in iTunes, hold shift/option and click update, point the file dialog to the software package downloaded from Apple and confirm.

4) Watch bars progress across the screen of the device.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by pjmlp »

ckastner wrote: post #44
ogre_codes wrote: post #31

When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead. When you compare it to MacOS and Windows 10 which run on 8-10 year old hardware, not as much. Of course how good Windows support is for that older hardware depends largely on OEMs and driver support and varies greatly. Linux can run on 20 year old hardware... or older?

> When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead Google keeps their own hardware updated quite well, I liked the monthly security updates. With regards to the rest of the tablet market, basically only Samsung and Lenovo are left, and Samsung lost me as a customer a long time ago. I've been looking at the iPad Air 3 recently and while it looks nice, I just fell in love wi…

Here in Germany there are plenty of tablets to choose from, with the best being naturally Samsung, Lenovo, Asus and Huawei, thing is, they happen to be convertibles/2-1/hybrid laptops running Windows 10.

I guess they got fed up with Android tablets just being bigger phones, running upscaled phone apps.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by pjmlp »

ehsankia wrote: post #332
jamesgeck0 wrote: post #269

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Even Apple's $400 phone has been supported longer than the Nexus 4 was.

Apple doesn't have a 400$ phone, unless you're referring to 2 year old phone. And again, Nexus phones were not made by Google.

There is this thing called legal contract, that Google could have used to enforce Nexus support.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by luismedel »

Infernal wrote: post #337
chaboud wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed that my iPad mini 2 finally falls off the list, but that thing is somewhat ancient. However, my Thinkpad X220 (maybe circa 2011?) still runs Windows 10 and Ubuntu, allowing it to stay up to date on security patches. In a way, Apple's support levels are only impressive because we're inured to quick device expiration in other contexts (e.g. phones).

To be fair, mobile development is a few years behind laptop development, and it makes sense that it would plateau later (thought with the current generation of smartphones we may be reaching that plateau). A 2011 MacBook Pro 13" is comparable to your X220 (dual core i7 available, 8GB supported RAM, Intel HD 3000 graphics) and while it does fall off the supported list for macOS Catalina (mid-2012 MBP is the earliest s…

I think it's only a matter of sales strategy instead of a technical one.

They (be Google, Apple or whoever makes OS and/or phones) have the know-how and the tech to support older devices for a longer time. Even if they limit that support to only publish security updates for older systems (which, IMHO, I think it's the correct thing to do). Come on, see the Windows XP latest updates.

A phone it's not different. In it's core, It's a f computer running software. The main difference is that the average Joe is accustomed to replace them even quicker than desktop/laptops.

Apple et al are fixing the "errors" they made with the personal computer market: support them for a long period of time, or giving the devices a longer (and secure) life via security updates, so your sales plummet.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by pjmlp »

ogre_codes wrote: post #297
penagwin wrote: post #40

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Since apple markets their ipados for productivity as an alternative to a MacBook or a windows laptop - I'm not sure Linux can really be included. Simply put - Linux has never been focused on tablet UI UX or that kind of productivity, it's not a technical limitation sure but there's literally 0 polish on any kind of "streamlined tablet experience"

Smartphones, tablets, Windows, Macs, Linux... they are all similar products targeting marginally different markets. I use my iPad for the same things I used my Linux desktop for not long ago. There are some things one does better than the other, but ultimately there is much more overlap than differences. The bigger the difference in form factor, the bigger the difference in use cases. Also, less folks forget... Andro…

And more folks forget that Android userspace, and Trebelized drivers couldn't care less what kernel is being used.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by IMcD23 »

Conlectus wrote: post #92

The biggest problem I've found with using my iPad pro as a full time device is that the iPad does not have a real concept of keyboard focus. This is a big deal in split-screen apps, where hard as I try I can't get my terminal emulator to accept keyboard input -- I just keep typing in Safari. Hopefully this is something that Apple addresses now that they consider iPad OS to be a real OS and not a scaled-up iOS.

https://twitter.com/viticci/status/1146121778256863233?s=20

Re: iPadOS

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Post by yodon »

mwarkentin wrote: post #318
ogre_codes wrote: post #263

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These are different things. You should first and foremost be able to do everything on the iPad (or any touch device) with touch and/ or gestures. As soon as you require a mouse (or stylus, trackpad/ whatever) on a tablet you've screwed up. The whole beauty of a tablet is in its portability. Having to rely on a mouse or trackpad screws that up. That said, mouse support for the iPad can and absolutely should be much be…

They added mouse support with this release. It’s an accessibility feature, and it moves a “fake finger” as your control rather than a precise mouse pointer but apparently it works.

It "works" but an actual mouse pointer would have been much better for normal users. The accessibility feature is unfortunately not actually what people who want mouse support actually want.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by dstroot »

koyote wrote: post #283
_bxg1 wrote: post #271

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Since re-joining the iOS world last year, I've been amazed at how many (often nifty!) features are the exact opposite of intuitive. I was still discovering new features either on accident or via articles, multiple months into ownership of my iPhone. Once I learned about the features many of them were great, but it's very surprising given Apple's focus on intuitiveness.

I've only occasionally used Apple devices but have always thought them to be rather un-intuitive. I remember spending a good 10 minutes trying to work out how to eject a CD from a Macbook/iMac until someone explained to me that you simply drag the CD icon from the desktop to the trash can...

OMG. This was my first Mac experience exactly. I was on a consulting project and the disk had some very valuable files on it. Someone at the company told me I had to drag the disk to the trash to eject it. I thought I was being punked and refused to do it. My favorite Mac story!

Re: iPadOS

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Post by jokowueu »

markstos wrote: post #128
ckastner wrote: post #44

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> When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead Google keeps their own hardware updated quite well, I liked the monthly security updates. With regards to the rest of the tablet market, basically only Samsung and Lenovo are left, and Samsung lost me as a customer a long time ago. I've been looking at the iPad Air 3 recently and while it looks nice, I just fell in love wi…

Quite well? Google abandons their phones after three years and repair options are limited compared to Apple. Apple has been supplying software updates for their phones for five years lately. On the plus side for Google phones, they are able to run third-party ROMs when Google quits supporting them.

TBH it's comes down to Qualcomm not updating their drivers .
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