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WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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I get the impression that SoftBank learned the wrong lesson from Uber. While Uber also raised billions of dollars and had a CEO get forced out by investors, it was broadly understood that his sin was creating a toxic/sexist culture. It wasn't related to business fundamentals, per se. WeWork's sins were less of rampant sexism, and more closely related to an unreasonable valuation and a business that wasn't prepared fo…

> it was broadly understood that his sin was creating a toxic/sexist culture. It wasn't related to business fundamentals, per se. So it had nothing to do with: - General disregard for regulation - Blocking regulators from the plaform via Greyball - Corporate espionage - Waymo vs. Uber From my impression at the time he was forced out primarily because of actions like those last two (only few of many), because they hav…

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Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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WeWork's business model is convincing investors they are a tech company with a dozens-of-billions valuation. I am glad HN, amongst others, have torn down this real-estate company wearing a tech-unicorn-mask.

> WeWork's business model is convincing investors they are a tech company with a dozens-of-billions valuation

That's their recruiting model too. These cults have people married to them their whole career and don't even know they are a laughing stock. They have conversations with their friends like "well joining a tech company has been very different from my old cubicle farm!"

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This is some dense shit. I can't imagine how working for WeWork feels like, right now. I have worked for companies where all the employees were eagerly waiting for the day the company will go public. It was seen as a pivotal moment both financially and professionally. In any rational world that's a landmark moment. A significant milestone for founders, investors and early employees. For WeWork it has been the complet…

WeWork has been an obvious fuckup to even casual observers for years, if people inside the company couldn't see this I really don't know what to say.

The "no meat" policy is what did it for me. The company is such a virtue-signaling joke.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/13/technology/wework-meat-ban/...

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I just don't see them wrestling control away from the deranged, cult leader. He truly believes he is destined to be president of the world and revolutionize.. well every thing. There best bet would be to drop the multi-class structure to get into passive funds. It needs $8.1b market cap to get into S&P500.

Is this part of the business model of these large, unprofitable VC-backed companies? Build a valuation to meet the 8.1bn threshold, then sell the shares to passive investors in S&P 500 index funds?

No. The S&P 500 is selected by committe. And it's 6.1bn, not 8.1bn. Mabye that's the plan for the Russell 3000, though.

But it doesn't really matter except when the stock gets added to the index. The index funds and ETFs are going to rebalance their positions based on market cap and will not affect the price. These funds could affect the volatility though, since it's conceivable that with a lot of the shares locked up, these stocks are going to be more thinly traded than they would have otherwise been. This could create price instability, though I'm not sure there's any proof that it's true.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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Hackernews is skeptical of many things though, sometimes hard to filter through the noise.

What are some examples where HN is too skeptical? I find that it's a good filter to view "news"

The famous Dropbox comment?

HN is overly skeptical of startups that take something possible and simplify the UX. Although I can't think of a recent example.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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WeWork is basically a real estate company. Why would they need a data science engineer?

I never felt it was so black and white as people make it which is part of WeWork's problem. WeWork's long game and eventual income is Real Estate, but their short game, their bread and butter, their brand, and their marketing is and always has been services and transactions. They compete much closer to a Starbucks than a Real Estate company but it's like neither side quite got it. (esp considering the CEO was a scam…

Yes hospitality and they're pretty good at it as far as I cam tell.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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I'm so glad I read hacker news. I almost took a job at WeWork just 2 months ago with a recruiter working very hard to convince me I'd be rich when they IPO. Now I'm at a much smaller startup called Weave which is a really phenomenal place to work. I didn't discover until recently that it's also a YCombinator company. edit: to clarify, hacker news has been extremely skeptical of WeWork for some time, due to this, I wa…

Same here, and only by reading the headlines. A WeWork recruiter reached out to me. I laughed out loud and added it to the list of companies I would never work for. Not only do they do nothing interesting, but they are apparently unethical as well. No doubt another failed tech bro pump 'n dump scheme headed to the dustbin of history.

what are the other companies you'll never work for?

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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I had concerns earlier this year when I interviewed at WeWork—which was the worst interview experience I’ve ever had. I applied for a data science role. The first two hours of the on-site were painful—they seemed to be asking questions tailored to be outside my experience. The third interviewer came into the room and said, “I, uh, just looked at your resume and I have to ask, why do you want to be a backend engineer?…

WeWork is basically a real estate company. Why would they need a data science engineer?

Real estate companies also need data science since they heavily rely on data for making decisions.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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But that doesn’t prevent small companies to just take the risk. And by doing so, they are as efficient as WeWork and compete on the same level. What counts is the product and that is the same from the small and big company.

In fact small firms may be more efficient. If they make a bad bet on some real estate they fold while WeWork has to spread that cost to all of its users and keep on moving.

More efficient but less likely to exist next year is not a sustainable niche.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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Wow I am floored. Given how he had structured the company so favorably toward him, I’m surprised he could put his ego in check for this. Their back must be really against a wall if they don’t raise that $3 billion

I read an article that Adam Neumann has a $700 million line of credit against his WeWork shares and has already drawn down around $550 million of that (to purchase real estate and lease back to We). After the IPO valuation downgrade the banks are now questioning the value of his collateral WeWork shares and could force a margin call. I think this might be driving it.

Also he took out credit against his shares to buy even more shares! I guess I can't fault him for believing but it sounds like an unwise move to me.
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