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Re: iPadOS

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Post by ehsankia »

markstos wrote: post #128
ckastner wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead Google keeps their own hardware updated quite well, I liked the monthly security updates. With regards to the rest of the tablet market, basically only Samsung and Lenovo are left, and Samsung lost me as a customer a long time ago. I've been looking at the iPad Air 3 recently and while it looks nice, I just fell in love wi…

Quite well? Google abandons their phones after three years and repair options are limited compared to Apple. Apple has been supplying software updates for their phones for five years lately. On the plus side for Google phones, they are able to run third-party ROMs when Google quits supporting them.

Pixel 1 just received the Q updates and is still getting security update. Are you comparing premium Apple built phones against 400$ nexus phones which were co-made by Google just to have a vanilla device for development? Nexus line was never meant to be a high-end phone with good support.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by la_barba »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #206
la_barba wrote: post #139

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That really isn't a like-like comparison. You are looking at just one product from Apple. In the Android and Windows world for each generation there are hundreds of thousands of hardware combinations from entry level to high end that are expected to run Windows. Also MS/Google cannot test their software with future un-released hardware. If anything, this should be a cakewalk for Apple - if they choose to. I don't kno…

They stopped updating 5S because it only has 1Gb of RAM. They only do it when the device really falls short of technical requirements.

If that is indeed the real reason, its unfortunate that they cannot get an OS to run acceptably in 1GB of RAM. Especially when they have such a tiny amount of hardware variations to support.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by captn3m0 »

penagwin wrote: post #232
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #193

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> In apple's case you can't downgrade your OS version You can if the old version is still being signed by Apple. For example with the iPad Air 2 both iOS 12.4.1 and iPadOS 13.1 are currently being signed by Apple so you can downgrade for the time being. When will stop signing 12.4.1? Who knows.

They usually stop within a few weeks if I'm not mistaken. Also AFAIK you can only rollback if you're pretty technical too.

I rolled back my really old iPad 2 to iOS 6 recently. Was fairly easy. As long as Apple is signing it, it just takes 3 clicks on iTunes.

I wrote about my experience at https://captnemo.in/blog/2019/08/11/ipad-downgrade-ios-6-8/

Re: iPadOS

#254

Post by giggles_giggles »

markstos wrote: post #128
ckastner wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead Google keeps their own hardware updated quite well, I liked the monthly security updates. With regards to the rest of the tablet market, basically only Samsung and Lenovo are left, and Samsung lost me as a customer a long time ago. I've been looking at the iPad Air 3 recently and while it looks nice, I just fell in love wi…

Quite well? Google abandons their phones after three years and repair options are limited compared to Apple. Apple has been supplying software updates for their phones for five years lately. On the plus side for Google phones, they are able to run third-party ROMs when Google quits supporting them.

Plus they don't have a great track record on the hardware durability. Some anecdotes: I had a bootlooping 5X after 11 months of ownership (that Google refused to replace) and my Pixel stopped being able to receive calls, also after 11 months (again, Google refused to replace it). The Chromecast I bought also only worked when it felt like it, which was, maybe 20% of the time. I won't buy their hardware anymore.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by captn3m0 »

guelo wrote: post #221
Grazester wrote: post #118

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You're mistaken. The Pixel Chromebook was originally released in 2013. The Pixel brand as a phone only started in 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Pixel#Pixel

Ok you're right, 3 years and going strong is still pretty good.

Google’s minimum is usually 3 years. It is unlikely to get revived for Android 11.

Apple on the other hand is at date of discontinuity + 5 yr hardware support.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by jandrese »

markstos wrote: post #128
ckastner wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead Google keeps their own hardware updated quite well, I liked the monthly security updates. With regards to the rest of the tablet market, basically only Samsung and Lenovo are left, and Samsung lost me as a customer a long time ago. I've been looking at the iPad Air 3 recently and while it looks nice, I just fell in love wi…

Quite well? Google abandons their phones after three years and repair options are limited compared to Apple. Apple has been supplying software updates for their phones for five years lately. On the plus side for Google phones, they are able to run third-party ROMs when Google quits supporting them.

My Pixel C is still being updated four years later.

I do agree about repair options. It's pretty much impossible to repair the screen on a Pixel C.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by crooked-v »

0x38B wrote: post #247

I highly recommend reading the MacStories review of iOS and iPadOS 13 [1]. Thirty (!) pages. It's like the manual that Apple forgot. Case in point: you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up. Extensive coverage of multitasking features, as well. There's definitely a learning curve with all these possibilities - s…

> you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up

I... but... how in the world is anyone ever supposed to know that exists???

Re: iPadOS

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Post by spiderfarmer »

kevindong wrote: post #243

As a bedside YouTube machine, my iPad Air 1 is absolutely fantastic at it. Web browsing stutters like no other, but the YouTube app is still very smooth despite the device's hardware being ~6 years old now. I'm happy with my purchase despite Apple cutting off iOS/iPad OS updates for my device. As a productivity device, the device is basically useless since app switching is annoyingly slow.

Once the OS updates stop, App updates follow shortly after. And once developers stop updating their apps, they become unusable over time, especially when they cannot communicate with server side API. My first iPad lasted about a year after the OS updates stopped.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by colejohnson66 »

crooked-v wrote: post #257
0x38B wrote: post #247

I highly recommend reading the MacStories review of iOS and iPadOS 13 [1]. Thirty (!) pages. It's like the manual that Apple forgot. Case in point: you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up. Extensive coverage of multitasking features, as well. There's definitely a learning curve with all these possibilities - s…

> you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up I... but... how in the world is anyone ever supposed to know that exists???

Is it under the Tips app? If it is, that’s probably where they expect people to find it.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by SSLy »

saagarjha wrote: post #183
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #165

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That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument.

> That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. > Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument. Not native code.

>Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS.

MS made the exact same argument 15 years ago.

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