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Re: iPadOS

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Post by eyo2019 »

saagarjha wrote: post #183
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #165

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That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument.

> That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. > Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument. Not native code.

> Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS.

I thought that argument was rejected already in 2001[0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

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Re: iPadOS

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Post by Miraste »

uptown wrote: post #65
mostlysimilar wrote: post #43

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I've never been convinced about a touchscreen macOS. The quality of the interface in Windows took a nosedive when they started trying to account for both finger-poking and precision cursor use. I would hate to see that happen to macOS. My preference is to let macOS/MacBooks stay keyboard/mouse, and let iPadOS/iPad be the touch device.

You may not be convinced, but the generation of younger kids expect every screen to be a touch screen. It's amusing to watch my kids (3 and 5) touch the screen expecting it to react the same way an iPad or iPhone responds.

All the Windows laptops I use have touchscreens now, and MacBooks have started to feel old-fashioned. I have to stop myself from poking the screen.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by Crosseye_Jack »

penagwin wrote: post #111
gowld wrote: post #93

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Age doesn't make hardware incompatible with an OS. Architecture changes do.

Ehh I sorta disagree. Many older windows machines "could" run windows 10 today, but your experience would be miserable for casual desktop use unless you have at least 2GB, etc. So a windows xp machine "could" run windows 10 but you don't really want to. In apple's case you can't downgrade your OS version, and I've seen an iPad 2 go from "smooth and fluent" to "crashes before I can even unlock it" from OS updates.

> In apple's case you can't downgrade your OS version

You can if the old version is still being signed by Apple.

For example with the iPad Air 2 both iOS 12.4.1 and iPadOS 13.1 are currently being signed by Apple so you can downgrade for the time being. When will stop signing 12.4.1? Who knows.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by biztos »

pjmlp wrote: post #141
cfors wrote: post #10

Cool, but nothing about any focus on making the machine realistic for development. My current MacBook Pro is getting a little long in the tooth and after suffering through the 2016 and later versions at work, I will not be buying one of those until the keyboards are fixed. If iPadOS has first class terminal support I would consider making it my full time machine. Looks like the waiting game will continue.

Until Apple acquired NeXT, terminals were meaningless on Mac OS, developers were doing just fine with IDE REPLs.

This developer was doing just fine with NSCA Telnet to do UNIX work. Without a terminal emulator I couldn't have justified owning a Mac.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by saagarjha »

Someone wrote: post #180
Jyaif wrote: post #158

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Can you explain why allowing apps to ship with a JIT compiler be a security issue?

A common attack method is to overwrite the stack or some buffer and then somehow make the CPU run the bytes written as code ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow#Exploitation , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow#Heap-based_exp... ) A common mitigation to that is “write xor execute” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%5EX ) From that page: ”Without such protection, a program can write (as data) CPU…

FWIW, switching memory from RW- to R-X (which is still W^X) is also not allowed unless you have certain, easier to get entitlements.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by chadlavi »

biztos wrote: post #190
chadlavi wrote: post #134

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built in terminal with access to (even a sandboxed) filesystem where I can do the stuff I do in the terminal on a mac -- install and use packages (homebrew might work? it's Darwin underneath iPadOS too, right?) and do other bash/zsh stuff; text editors/IDEs (I'd personally like an iPadOS version of vscode); and some mac-only software, like Sketch. If they had those, I'd switch to an iPad Pro today.

FWIW my brother carries around a little Raspberry Pi with all his Linux dev stuff on it and uses that when he wants to work on his hobby projects using the iPad. One big advantage is he can use the same thing with a Chromebook or phablet or whatever is handy, since he's just ssh-ing in. I've thought about doing the same, but it just kinda irks me that I have this insanely powerful and robust tablet-form computer with…

This is EXACTLY my thinking on this, too. An iPad Pro is, I think, more powerful than the computer I used for work just a couple years ago. Let me use it like a macbook pro already! It's way too powerful (and not to mention, expensive) to just be an ssh client. I could use an underpowered out of date samsung tablet for that.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by alistairSH »

peatmoss wrote: post #46

Anyone here familiar with photo management know what the likely implications of the new USB storage support are? My elderly mother has gotten into photography in the past few years and shoots with what I assume is a prosumer camera (high-ish resolution, swappable lenses). The Windows laptop she plugs into is a disaster waiting to happen, in that I’m pretty sure nothing is properly backed up. I think she also barely u…

Two questions... does she use Lightroom or another photo editing/management tool? Does she shoot raw, or just jpg?

If she isn't using Lightroom or shooting raw, the siblings cover it. Just use Apple Photos with iCloud backup. If she wants most of the photos in full-size on local disk, buy the largest capacity iPad you can.

If she is using Lightroom, they have their own cloud storage that is included (or discounted?) with the monthly software subscription. So, you can still use the iPad, you just have an extra step of importing into Apple Photos, then exporting into Lightroom (this may have changed, but AFAIK, iPad still doesn't allow direct import of files into non-native apps).

There are a few tutorials and blog entries that describe the above process, though I expect there will be updates or new coverage in a month or two, once people have time with the latest iPadOS updates.

FWIW, I use an Ipad and the camera kit on vacation, use Apple Photos, and also have a MacBook at home (it's a bit easier to do some tasks with a mouse, but an all-mobile workflow is possible). My mother use a hodgepodge of Lightroom on Windows, with some photos synced to her Apple product ecosystem, but I don't know the details.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by eugeniub »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #100

Track record for Apple when it comes to iOS/iPadOS updates has been impressive, but once they stop updating their device it becomes more vulnerable than their android counterpart for basic Internet browsing just because Apple doesn't update Safari via AppStore and doesn't allow any other browser engine . Case in point : Google Project Zero's latest iOS Exploit chains on webkit shows how easy it was(*is?) for an iOS u…

> But many of the exploit chains did use public jailbreak exploits and Semi-unthethered jailbreaks exist for 32-bit iOS devices running up to iOS 10.3.3.

Apple released iOS 10.3.4 on July 22, 2019 for iPhone 5 and iPad 4g.[1] So it's not completely unheard of for Apple to release iOS updates after officially dropping iOS support for old devices. From the Apple website:[2]

> iOS 10.3.4 addresses an issue that could impact GPS location performance and could cause system date and time to be incorrect. This update is recommended for all users.

I wonder if this update quietly fixed these exploit changes.

[1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222 [2]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208011#1034

Re: iPadOS

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Post by joosters »

ogre_codes wrote: post #23
cfors wrote: post #10

Cool, but nothing about any focus on making the machine realistic for development. My current MacBook Pro is getting a little long in the tooth and after suffering through the 2016 and later versions at work, I will not be buying one of those until the keyboards are fixed. If iPadOS has first class terminal support I would consider making it my full time machine. Looks like the waiting game will continue.

Terminal support isn't the issue, there are a couple nice terminal apps you can get which are solid. The big problem(s) I've had are: * Lack of a common file system so you can't use multiple apps to edit/ compile source well. * Inability to build and run locally (for iOS/ local apps) * Inability to deploy locally (for example to a web server running on your machine) * No virtualization... which would solve the above…

Thanks for the 'ish' recommendation, that is awesome!

Re: iPadOS

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Post by swinglock »

tolmasky wrote: post #184

Apparently as part of the "desktop class" browser experience in iPad OS, Safari lost its ability to double-tap to zoom. This is a feature I use on basically every single webpage, including when I am browsing on an actual desktop computer. Chrome's lack of this feature kept me on desktop Safari for ages. I can't believe they've taken it out. It significantly deteriorates my browsing experiencing. And for what? To add…

Indeed. I reported this but it wasn't fixed. Very disappointed as I use this all the time.

If you pinch zoom slightly and then double touch, it works on some pages, including this page, but it's off center. On others not at all. On others it works as it should.

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