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Re: List of selected stars for navigation

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That's a lot of charts to be tattooed onto my forearm.

Such a tattoo would be pretty useless without a sextant, a good watch, and a nautical almanac. And since any almanac would likely have the star charts too, you can save your skin for something else.

You can't use static charts because the Earth wobbles a bit (called precession and nutation), and doesn't rotate at a constant speed. This effect can make a difference of being off my many miles just over a year, and 10's of miles over a few years.

Re: List of selected stars for navigation

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That's a lot of charts to be tattooed onto my forearm.

Such a tattoo would be pretty useless without a sextant, a good watch, and a nautical almanac. And since any almanac would likely have the star charts too, you can save your skin for something else. You can't use static charts because the Earth wobbles a bit (called precession and nutation), and doesn't rotate at a constant speed. This effect can make a difference of being off my many miles just over a year, and 10's…

This is good to hear so thank-you for writing that.

I have a plan to do a bicycle tour from Canada to Mexico sometime in my retirement years (or sooner). Part of that included a 'Wouldn't it be quaint/interesting' desire to bring along an old sextant I inherited and see how close I could chart my progress to my actual location.

If the charts change that much over time, then this might work the way I was expecting.

Re: List of selected stars for navigation

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That's a lot of charts to be tattooed onto my forearm.

All you really need is an accurate watch at the local solar noon and the time of Greenwich's solar noon that day for longitude. Latitude is gained my measuring the angle of Polaris from the horizon (northern hemisphere only).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such a tattoo would be pretty useless without a sextant, a good watch, and a nautical almanac. And since any almanac would likely have the star charts too, you can save your skin for something else. You can't use static charts because the Earth wobbles a bit (called precession and nutation), and doesn't rotate at a constant speed. This effect can make a difference of being off my many miles just over a year, and 10's…

This is good to hear so thank-you for writing that. I have a plan to do a bicycle tour from Canada to Mexico sometime in my retirement years (or sooner). Part of that included a 'Wouldn't it be quaint/interesting' desire to bring along an old sextant I inherited and see how close I could chart my progress to my actual location. If the charts change that much over time, then this might work the way I was expecting.

Sextants aren't really made for use on land, you need a very flat horizon to use one, you can use an "artificial horizon" but you'll loose some accuracy. A sextant is made for observations at sea, where a ship would be bobbing up and down. On steady land, it's much easier to just measure the angle a star makes with a level base. I'm not sure of the exact name, I've seen old telescopes with a protractor on the side, and a level and compass on the base.

But, so long as it's just for fun, you can rely on your phone for updated star information and time.

Re: List of selected stars for navigation

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This got me reading up on the topic, and apparently you can download a free book from the FAA that covers how to do celestial navigation: Flight Navigator Handbook, https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/a...

(Apparently early models of the Boeing 747 even had a sextant port built into the roof of the cockpit.)

Re: List of selected stars for navigation

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post #5

That's a lot of charts to be tattooed onto my forearm.

All you really need is an accurate watch at the local solar noon and the time of Greenwich's solar noon that day for longitude. Latitude is gained my measuring the angle of Polaris from the horizon (northern hemisphere only).

You need at least one more piece of information, otherwise how would you know it's solar noon? You either need to know where due South is, or you need to make multiple measurements of the sun at different times to determine when it reached its lowest point. The good thing about using two stars is you don't need that information and you didn't need to wait around in the same spot from solar noon until nighttime.

Re: List of selected stars for navigation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is good to hear so thank-you for writing that. I have a plan to do a bicycle tour from Canada to Mexico sometime in my retirement years (or sooner). Part of that included a 'Wouldn't it be quaint/interesting' desire to bring along an old sextant I inherited and see how close I could chart my progress to my actual location. If the charts change that much over time, then this might work the way I was expecting.

Sextants aren't really made for use on land, you need a very flat horizon to use one, you can use an "artificial horizon" but you'll loose some accuracy. A sextant is made for observations at sea, where a ship would be bobbing up and down. On steady land, it's much easier to just measure the angle a star makes with a level base. I'm not sure of the exact name, I've seen old telescopes with a protractor on the side, a…

A combination compass - inclinometer would probably be good for his purposes.

Re: List of selected stars for navigation

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you really need is an accurate watch at the local solar noon and the time of Greenwich's solar noon that day for longitude. Latitude is gained my measuring the angle of Polaris from the horizon (northern hemisphere only).

You need at least one more piece of information, otherwise how would you know it's solar noon? You either need to know where due South is, or you need to make multiple measurements of the sun at different times to determine when it reached its lowest point. The good thing about using two stars is you don't need that information and you didn't need to wait around in the same spot from solar noon until nighttime.

put a stick in the ground and note the time at narrowing intervals until the shadow starts getting longer, taking the shortest shadow as solar noon??? seems like a non-issue since you've already got an accurate watch. if you're lost without a gps and have no idea what your long. is, you've probably got a lot of spare time to figure it out.
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