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Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by jasode »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #177
snakeOyl wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative to advertising is paid subscription content. I don’t see how you’re going to achieve greater privacy by giving someone your credit card number.

Civilized Internet economies have moved way past people giving every service or merchant their credit card numbers. There is a number of alternative payment schemes which share less information with the money recipient, and doesn't let them pull money off one's account.

>There is a number of alternative payment schemes

Can you please explicitly list those alternative payment methods you had in mind?

When I last researched this, alternatives like micropayments, Flattr, cryptocurrency, digital wallet donations, etc are not viable revenue amounts in comparison to credit-card subscriptions or sponsored ads.

As for the mobile phone payments that are more popular than credit-cards in China and Africa, those are not privacy-preserving from what I can tell.

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by mbrock »

h4waii wrote: post #139
AlexandrB wrote: post #114

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It's really not egregious. Just like $1/song is not egregious. $1/podcast episode (often 60 minutes or more) is some of the best time/$ value among a-la-carte entertainment products.

A song, ostensibly has a high level of repeatability. How often does one re-listen to a podcast within, say, 6 to 12 months? Maybe a year after, if it had a real impact?

People routinely pay $3 for a single cup of drip coffee or $6 for a shot of liquor

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by Konnstann »

La1n wrote: post #109
amrrs wrote: post #89

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I guess not every single ad is about Brainwashing. If that's the case of your wish, then every single company on the planet would go bust because every company would be selling something to you through ads or pitches at some point. I hate Display ads because they're content heavy, irrelevant and suck my personal information. But podcast ads are not targetting nor using my cookie or phone id. It's just some content cr…

I would not cry over companies going bankrupt that sell products that I need to see ads for to realise I need or want them. Not every single company would go bust for many businesses provide things people need or want without having been exposed to ads. Edit: Corrected autocorrect

So the only companies you would want to exist are the ones that have monopolies (or close to) in their markets? I would much rather see marketing from competitors, so I could at least have a launching point to do my own research.

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by cwkoss »

FroshKiller wrote: post #57
diffeomorphism wrote: post #15

Neat software, but I think this is less defensible than other ad blockers. With web ad blockers you protect against tracking, privacy violations and potentially malware and thus don't see "unacceptable ads". In contrast this seems to be about blocking ads just for the sake of blocking ads.

TV and radio ads are probably embedding inaudible signals meant to be overheard & catalogued by your smartphone, smart home devices, etc. Don't defend advertisers. They are vampires. Don't mournfully look upon them and proclaim, "Even these wretches must eat." Plenty of jobs need doing. Advertising is not, never has been, and never will be one of them.

Has anyone developed a system to embed redundant inaudible signals into an audio signal? Seems like you could support publishers 100x+ more than any other listener by spoofing these, while poisoning the advertiser's dataset.

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by criddell »

drdeadringer wrote: post #190
criddell wrote: post #90

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I'll pay with my attention, but not with my data. Radio ads are annoying because of the high volume and fast talking, but I'm not going to try to block them. On the web, put up an add with no tracking (effectively a digital billboard) and I'll stop using my ad blocker. The advertising might be annoying, but the surveillance is a human rights violation (according to the UN).

> but I'm not going to try to block them. Why not?

Because the effort and expense of doing so is greater than my annoyance.

I watch baseball games on the MLB streaming service and when they go to commercials, the screen goes to a static image with no sound. It's kind of jarring and I think I would prefer to have something still playing. The best thing would be if they just went to a wide shot of the ballpark with ballpark sounds, but the normal ads are better than silence IMHO.

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by TeMPOraL »

jasode wrote: post #191
TeMPOraL wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Civilized Internet economies have moved way past people giving every service or merchant their credit card numbers. There is a number of alternative payment schemes which share less information with the money recipient, and doesn't let them pull money off one's account.

>There is a number of alternative payment schemes Can you please explicitly list those alternative payment methods you had in mind? When I last researched this, alternatives like micropayments, Flattr, cryptocurrency, digital wallet donations, etc are not viable revenue amounts in comparison to credit-card subscriptions or sponsored ads. As for the mobile phone payments that are more popular than credit-cards in Chin…

Well, in my country there's a number of payment intermediaries like Przelewy24, PayU and a bunch of others, which proxy a payment without themselves receiving your card number either. The way it's constructed, you get redirected to your own bank's webpage, where you log in just to confirm a pre-filled transaction from your account to the intermediary service.

Then there's also Blik, which is the same except I don't even have to log in on the web page; I read a random six-digit code off my bank's app, enter it on the payment intermediary site, confirm again on the phone, and money moves.

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by chmln »

_bxg1 wrote: post #174

This is not a good thing. Ad-blockers on the internet are justified because of invasive tracking. Radio and podcasts have no such thing, and ads are are central to their sustainability. If you want to push the world to improve, you can't just rage blindly, you have to identify and move towards a solution that's sustainable for everyone. In the case of ad-supported businesses and services, this means non-tracking, non…

> If you want to push back against tracking in ads, you have to support non-tracking ads.

Why? I don't want any ads whatsoever.

Maybe it's harsh but if they can't survive without ads then let them go? Many good podcasts already charge money.

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mbrock wrote: post #192
h4waii wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A song, ostensibly has a high level of repeatability. How often does one re-listen to a podcast within, say, 6 to 12 months? Maybe a year after, if it had a real impact?

People routinely pay $3 for a single cup of drip coffee or $6 for a shot of liquor

Coffee and liquor are made of matter, not information, and thus cannot be infinitely copied for near-zero energy expenditure. This is what gives them a practical price floor.

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by Invictus0 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #179
Invictus0 wrote: post #121

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Well if you hate ads so much, then just pay for the damn radio.

He can't, because free-with-ads is the only option on the table.

SiriusXM, Pandora, Spotify, Apple music...

Re: Adblock Radio: An adblocker for live radio streams and podcasts

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Invictus0 wrote: post #199
TeMPOraL wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He can't, because free-with-ads is the only option on the table.

SiriusXM, Pandora, Spotify, Apple music...

Remind me to which frequencies should I tune my receiver to pick those?

Anyway, paying for ad-free and surveillance-free experience is increasingly not possible, as companies try to double-dip.

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