Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law • Hacker News Board

Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law

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Post by heliodor » Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 3:18 PM UTC

darawk wrote: post #172

nabnob wrote: post #52

I see a lot of comments deriding this law, can someone explain to me why these are bad things? Quoting from this article - https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/28/landmark-california-privac... - Businesses must disclose what information they collect, what business purpose they do so for and any third parties they share that data with. - Businesses would be required to comply with official consumer requests to delete that d…

> - Consumers can opt out of their data being sold, and businesses can’t retaliate by changing the price or level of service. This is something I object to. It's just fundamentally stupid and doesn't make sense. The entire premise of free exchange is that I give you my services in exchange for something of value of yours. Making it illegal to withhold services if you don't give up your data is crazy. The only reason…

I interpret the purpose of that item combined with the subsequent one is to ensure that they can't force you to sell yourself but can offer you the option and leave the decision with you.

Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law

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Post by pmontra » Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 3:21 PM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #525

pmontra wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$5 for a tracking free Google, including no Google ads on any site? Maybe. But then it would be $5 to any other tracking network and there will probably be some other tracking with no opt out. I'll be still running adblockers and privacy extensions, so paying is pointless.

Ha, case in point. A technical person talking themselves out of a hypothetical situation where they pay, now imagine everyone else.

The point is that I wouldn't be paying for a search service, I would be paying for not to be tracked, which is something I don't want to happen. It's so similar to paying for insurance against fires (think of gangster movies.) I don't like it.

Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law

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Post by mitchdoogle » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

tylerl wrote: post #477

mitchdoogle wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gist of these laws are all the same. Just respect ALL users' data from the start, and you shouldn't have any difficulty with compliance.

Bullshit. "Respect users data" means different, incompatible things to different people and in different circumstances. You can't "respect" all of them at the same time. Take the data deletion requirement. I know of many instances where users have permanently lost absolutely critical data because of that provision (already found in other privacy laws). When a user (accidentally) indicates they want you to delete thei…

> "Respect users data" means different, incompatible things to different people and in different circumstances.

I admit it was vague phrasing. All I mean by respect peoples' data is to recognize that people should own their own data. You should get explicit permission before collecting it, using it, selling it, etc. At any time it should be just as easy to remove the data as it was for you to collect it.

As for any data deletion, I think it makes sense to have a strong warning any time a company has files that the user themselves have uploaded. Perhaps even listing filenames and folders to remind users what's there.