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Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by ashildr »

AFascistWorld wrote: post #55
spectramax wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is scary. Man's psychology is vulnerable and governments taking advantage of it can only end bad as history has taught us.

To better understand China, you will have to understand that the CCP was nothing but peasant rebels not too long ago, the notion of "the country was built by us" so that anything is our rewards and have to be governed by our progeny, is deep-rooted. And think of the core governning clique as a criminal gang.

Nowadays that last sentence alone does not give away whether your post is about China, the US or Russia.

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Post by jacobush »

88840-8855 wrote: post #41
adam_ellsworth wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having not studied economics/politics during my time in college, wow does one qualify "collapse" here? What are the properties?

Dramatic political reforms, similar to what happened in 1991 when the Soviet Union "collapsed". Corruption would skyrocket, Oligarchs would emerge from the state owned enterprises, HK would declare independence, inner Mongolia, Tibet, Xinjiang, probably Yunnan would follow. Flows of money, including taxes, would be interrupted, people wont get paid. State owned enterprises would not be able to pay their people, the b…

So, you want war, or you want war? Nice choice we have.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

franklingu wrote: post #31

Just another article of predicting that China is going to collapse -- these kind of articles have been popping up since 1991. China is just another big country with a lot of problems. So is US. Even if China is really going to collapse, what is in it for average people in the US or other countries? To prove that the democracy you believe is correct -- even if that means nearly all the people in the world will suffer…

China made it personal ( for me) messing with democracy and the EU through the sham "16+1".

Which is not meant to break the EU's democracy and getting more votes. Nothing else.

I wish Hong Kong and Taiwan the very best, even this far away China is overreaching it's influence. They shouldn't be surprised that they have lost all sympathy from a lot of westerners.

Before I forget, if you try to loan halve of the world money ( there are no real investments from China), you are not a developing country and shouldn't abuse our help.

There is also no way that Alibaba would have gotten that big without being a developed country and the Postal Union financial assistance. We basically financed it.

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Post by UIZealot »

missosoup wrote: post #16
onion2k wrote: post #2

If the political system in China collapses everyone should worry. That would likely result in a global economic crash the likes of which the world has never seen.

If the alternative is China going unchecked and eating the world. I'll take the economic crash. I grew up in poverty and I'd rather go back to poverty than live under a dystopian surveillance dictatorship.

Enjoy your dystopian surveillance democracy.

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Post by fock »

King-Aaron wrote: post #32
devoply wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rather live in a world where the CCP failed and a bunch of poor people suffered than a world run by the CCP where 1/2 the world is at their mercy. America can be a tyrant but I believe the CCP would be much much worse.

> a bunch of poor people By that, you mean you are championing the potential mass starvation and violent deaths of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people.... cool

maybe in China (where they would arguably be at fault themselves...) but everywhere else? how is housing and food becoming less available suddenly without a war?

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Post by cdmckay »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #63
franklingu wrote: post #31

Just another article of predicting that China is going to collapse -- these kind of articles have been popping up since 1991. China is just another big country with a lot of problems. So is US. Even if China is really going to collapse, what is in it for average people in the US or other countries? To prove that the democracy you believe is correct -- even if that means nearly all the people in the world will suffer…

China made it personal ( for me) messing with democracy and the EU through the sham "16+1". Which is not meant to break the EU's democracy and getting more votes. Nothing else. I wish Hong Kong and Taiwan the very best, even this far away China is overreaching it's influence. They shouldn't be surprised that they have lost all sympathy from a lot of westerners. Before I forget, if you try to loan halve of the world m…

So China is bad because they invested in eastern EU countries?

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Post by UIZealot »

missosoup wrote: post #34
spectramax wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to imagine the world with China as a democracy only to assure the world that xenophobia is the first thing that comes to mind when people take an anti-China stance and as a reminder that Chinese culture, their arts, the land and the people are wonderful. I am against this dystopian overwhelmingly powerful and suppressive government. I imagine if 1989 was a turning moment for Democracy in China.

The wonderful culture and arts you're thinking about is historical. It doesn't really exist in China now. It was mostly wiped out during The Great Leap Forward, along with 30 million people give or take. Fun fact: advanced Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners travel from China to Japan to learn. Japan preserved records of the TCM knowledge that China destroyed during the great leap.

Fun fact: Traditional Chinese Medicine is mostly a bunch of useless horseshit.

Too bad the great leap didn't totally destroy it.

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Post by barry-cotter »

onion2k wrote: post #58
Iv wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the political system in Chine does not collapse everyone should worry too. Because they are very quickly becoming the #1 economic power in the world and I really do not want to see them spreading their views on authoritarianism and citizens control. I am of a boring old school of thought that thinks democracy is a pretty cool system and that it should be preserved. I really hope the Chinese political system collap…

...I really do not want to see them spreading their views on authoritarianism and citizens control. Western nations have plenty of authoritarianism already. It's just more insidious and under the surface. For example, here in the UK there are CCTV cameras everywhere [1]. They're all linked up so the police can remotely follow citizens around towns, along roads, down motorways, etc. Every bus and train has CCTV on it.…

> Western nations have plenty of authoritarianism already. It's just more insidious and under the surface. For example, here in the UK there are CCTV cameras everywhere[1].

True

> They're all linked up so the police can remotely follow citizens around towns, along roads, down motorways, etc.

Not true. The police need to ask individually every time they want CCTV footage from private businesses or get a warrant. They do not have convenient access to all CCTV.

> Every bus and train has CCTV on it. Every shop has cameras. People are encouraged to have them in their houses. Whenever there are police documentaries on television they always have CCTV footage of crimes.

And police documentaries don’t show the ones where they don’t have footage or where the criminals got away. If the UK was truly a panopticon there’s be far less crime. I’m not sure what their clearance rate is but people get away with murder in London so I doubt the average mugger has too much to fear from CCTV.

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Post by barry-cotter »

friendlybus wrote: post #49
missosoup wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wonderful culture and arts you're thinking about is historical. It doesn't really exist in China now. It was mostly wiped out during The Great Leap Forward, along with 30 million people give or take. Fun fact: advanced Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners travel from China to Japan to learn. Japan preserved records of the TCM knowledge that China destroyed during the great leap.

GLF was terrible, but the west shares a shame in throwing away our intellectual and cultural pursuits. There's an argument that a very long time ago, the islamic intellectual tradition preserved enlightenment values whilst we were off doing other things. I don't know the gritty details of the argument, so I'd be the first to say I'm wrong.

The Enlightenment was something new under the sun. The Islamic Golden Age was intellectually impressive but nothing in it presages the ideas of individualism and freedom that are at the heart of the Enlightenment project.

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Post by Yizahi »

christkv wrote: post #19

I expect China to clamp down harder and harder on its population as well as deflect attention from it as the economy slides to try keep the party in power. Look for the social credit system to expand even more and also more rhetoric about it all being the fault of evil foreigners.

If huge country enters recession and crisis then, with some exceptions, it usually goes to war with its neighbors. See Russia waging war for last 20 years constantly, see Iran expanding to nearby countries to shut internal crisis. China does the same - nine dash occupation of south china sea, cold war with Taiwan, conflicts with Japan and nearly all other neighbors. If big crisis will happen in China it will cause a big war in the region. All dictators do this without a fault.
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