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Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by philipov »

friendlybus wrote: post #49
missosoup wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wonderful culture and arts you're thinking about is historical. It doesn't really exist in China now. It was mostly wiped out during The Great Leap Forward, along with 30 million people give or take. Fun fact: advanced Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners travel from China to Japan to learn. Japan preserved records of the TCM knowledge that China destroyed during the great leap.

GLF was terrible, but the west shares a shame in throwing away our intellectual and cultural pursuits. There's an argument that a very long time ago, the islamic intellectual tradition preserved enlightenment values whilst we were off doing other things. I don't know the gritty details of the argument, so I'd be the first to say I'm wrong.

I think you mean they preserved Greek and Roman knowledge, which was the basis of the Renaissance. The Enlightenment was a few hundred years later, and consisted of new ideas.

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Post by StreamBright »

Iv wrote: post #30
onion2k wrote: post #2

If the political system in China collapses everyone should worry. That would likely result in a global economic crash the likes of which the world has never seen.

If the political system in Chine does not collapse everyone should worry too. Because they are very quickly becoming the #1 economic power in the world and I really do not want to see them spreading their views on authoritarianism and citizens control. I am of a boring old school of thought that thinks democracy is a pretty cool system and that it should be preserved. I really hope the Chinese political system collap…

The majority of recorded human history China was the #1 economic power though.

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Post by newfriend »

StudentStuff wrote: post #25
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putin is popular, because he's better than what was before (i'm speaking mostly of the old drunk). And also because he does stuff that a lot of russians actually like. A lot of people (mostly westeners) don't understand, that if someone gets back "historic russian territory" from a "neighbor" you don't really like, and noone can do anything about that, that's a good thing for Russia. It's bad for the neighbors, it's…

Citation for that last paragraph? All I've seen is a shrinking coal industry leaving workers unpaid for their last month on the job[1], 25% tariffs slapped on our hardware imports [2] (causing a 30% drop in our sales) and kids being killed by Customs and Border Protection [3]. None of this is good for the USA or my fellow American 1 - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/us/kentucky-coal-miners.h... 2 - https://www.for…

Unchecked IP and currency abuse by China, and unfettered illegal immigration are also "not good for the USA or my fellow American."

> kids being killed by Customs and Border Protection

Are you actually trying to claim that CBP is deliberately killing children?

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by cameldrv »

txdv wrote: post #50
Iv wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the political system in Chine does not collapse everyone should worry too. Because they are very quickly becoming the #1 economic power in the world and I really do not want to see them spreading their views on authoritarianism and citizens control. I am of a boring old school of thought that thinks democracy is a pretty cool system and that it should be preserved. I really hope the Chinese political system collap…

> I am of a boring old school Like authatorian dictatorships are now super hip? :D

That does seem to be the trend.

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Post by AFascistWorld »

spectramax wrote: post #28
christkv wrote: post #19

I expect China to clamp down harder and harder on its population as well as deflect attention from it as the economy slides to try keep the party in power. Look for the social credit system to expand even more and also more rhetoric about it all being the fault of evil foreigners.

It is scary. Man's psychology is vulnerable and governments taking advantage of it can only end bad as history has taught us.

To better understand China, you will have to understand that the CCP was nothing but peasant rebels not too long ago, the notion of "the country was built by us" so that anything is our rewards and have to be governed by our progeny, is deep-rooted. And think of the core governning clique as a criminal gang.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #6
stretchwithme wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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People that have survived communism just accept high levels of corruption because it's better than the alternative. That's why Putin is popular.

Was popular, a lot of protests happening this year.

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

Animats wrote: post #42

The increase in pork prices is due to a swine fever epidemic that started in Liaoning province.[1] SCMP has a reasonably good article. China's huge boom is starting to level off. Down from 10%/yr to 7% a year. The US is under 3%/yr. That happened to all the "Asian tigers", as they caught up to the developed world. Its a long way from a recession. [1] https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3020488/c...

The problem in China is that they're likely to get old before they get rich. China's GDP per capita is still only a quarter (or less) of Japan, Singapore or South Korea:

https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/china/japan

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by onion2k »

Iv wrote: post #30
onion2k wrote: post #2

If the political system in China collapses everyone should worry. That would likely result in a global economic crash the likes of which the world has never seen.

If the political system in Chine does not collapse everyone should worry too. Because they are very quickly becoming the #1 economic power in the world and I really do not want to see them spreading their views on authoritarianism and citizens control. I am of a boring old school of thought that thinks democracy is a pretty cool system and that it should be preserved. I really hope the Chinese political system collap…

...I really do not want to see them spreading their views on authoritarianism and citizens control.

Western nations have plenty of authoritarianism already. It's just more insidious and under the surface. For example, here in the UK there are CCTV cameras everywhere[1]. They're all linked up so the police can remotely follow citizens around towns, along roads, down motorways, etc. Every bus and train has CCTV on it. Every shop has cameras. People are encouraged to have them in their houses. Whenever there are police documentaries on television they always have CCTV footage of crimes.

We pretend that we're a free liberal democracy, but we're not really. I suspect the same is true for most first world countries.

[1] I live in a small city in the North East of the UK - here's a portion of our traffic cameras https://api.newcastle.urbanobservatory.ac.uk/camera/

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Post by [deleted] »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #57
Animats wrote: post #42

The increase in pork prices is due to a swine fever epidemic that started in Liaoning province.[1] SCMP has a reasonably good article. China's huge boom is starting to level off. Down from 10%/yr to 7% a year. The US is under 3%/yr. That happened to all the "Asian tigers", as they caught up to the developed world. Its a long way from a recession. [1] https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3020488/c...

The problem in China is that they're likely to get old before they get rich. China's GDP per capita is still only a quarter (or less) of Japan, Singapore or South Korea: https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/china/japan

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Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by AFascistWorld »

missosoup wrote: post #16
onion2k wrote: post #2

If the political system in China collapses everyone should worry. That would likely result in a global economic crash the likes of which the world has never seen.

If the alternative is China going unchecked and eating the world. I'll take the economic crash. I grew up in poverty and I'd rather go back to poverty than live under a dystopian surveillance dictatorship.

>I'd rather go back to poverty than live under a dystopian surveillance dictatorship.

Unfortunately there are too many people on earth who have been trapped in poverty for far too long, they will gladly to be like China.

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