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Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by markdown »

ColanR wrote: post #30
umvi wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've said it before, but really, assault rifles and bump stocks and what not are the complete wrong thing to focus on. Long guns kill practically _nobody_ compared to handguns. It's the best compromise ever: ban handguns, keep long guns fully legal. 2nd amendment supporters wanting to "prevent tyranny" and hunters still have their long guns, homicides and suicides (which comprise the overwhelming majority of gun deat…

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.

You seriously think a bunch of citizens with long guns is going to be able to prevent tyranny by the greatest military force the world has ever known?

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

ColanR wrote: post #30
umvi wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've said it before, but really, assault rifles and bump stocks and what not are the complete wrong thing to focus on. Long guns kill practically _nobody_ compared to handguns. It's the best compromise ever: ban handguns, keep long guns fully legal. 2nd amendment supporters wanting to "prevent tyranny" and hunters still have their long guns, homicides and suicides (which comprise the overwhelming majority of gun deat…

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.

It's not. The idea that a rag-tag group of citizens with a stockpile of AR-15s could challenge "tyranny" by fighting a modern US military is laughable.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by whatshisface »

markdown wrote: post #31
ColanR wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.

You seriously think a bunch of citizens with long guns is going to be able to prevent tyranny by the greatest military force the world has ever known?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising

There are sparse (sparse because guns in history are rarely found among civilians) instances of people using arms to defend themselves against overwhelming state adversaries. Dictators may be cruel but they're not exactly trying to rack up police casualties.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by [deleted] »

rolltiide wrote: post #20

Is there any merit to the idea that health workers can help people and their family with being prepared for the suicide? I think we spend too much effort on avoidance without acknowledging that people come to a conclusion of ending their life for multiple reasons, and people aren't really falling for the prevention. Did the underlying irreconcilable problem get solved? No? Okay imma head out. Does the person have to…

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Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by ColanR »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32
ColanR wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.

It's not. The idea that a rag-tag group of citizens with a stockpile of AR-15s could challenge "tyranny" by fighting a modern US military is laughable.

Vietnam beat the US. The Taliban is beating the US. The US was founded when farmers used guerrilla warfare tactics against the current world superpower. South America guerrillas are unbeatable.

It's really your position that is untenable.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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tempsy wrote: post #24

Tech Lead from YouTube just published this about the FB employee suicide last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbEQriZEfoI Posting because, if allegations are true, it only reinforces my belief that our white collar workplaces have become highly mentally taxing and employees need judgement-free resources provided by employers to deal with them.

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Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by chillwaves »

markdown wrote: post #31
ColanR wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.

You seriously think a bunch of citizens with long guns is going to be able to prevent tyranny by the greatest military force the world has ever known?

The most obnoxious part about this comment is how sure you think you are.

The important questions to ask are, how does the civilian population split? How do the police, the military split?

What exactly do you think civil war looks like?

The idea that you have all the answers and some how guns are ineffective, at the very least in hurting those who want to oppress, is so laughable and appropriate for HN.

What is going on in HK right now? You think that would happen if they were armed?

No one says we win, but we make it hurt. You would rather be enslaved?

The US is looking for a way out of Afghanistan and they are not the victors. Lost to some men with long guns.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by hnaccy »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32
ColanR wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.

It's not. The idea that a rag-tag group of citizens with a stockpile of AR-15s could challenge "tyranny" by fighting a modern US military is laughable.

If there was serious armed resistance by citizens in American other nations that would benefit from weakening American power could send key weapons as support, e.g., anti-tank and MANPADS.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

tempsy wrote: post #24

Tech Lead from YouTube just published this about the FB employee suicide last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbEQriZEfoI Posting because, if allegations are true, it only reinforces my belief that our white collar workplaces have become highly mentally taxing and employees need judgement-free resources provided by employers to deal with them.

I would take all of that with a heaping cup of salt:

* All of this guy's info is from the Blind app, which is basically a step above the bathroom wall when it comes to information.

* He himself was fired from Facebook, so it's not like he's unbiased.

I know nothing about the situation, but I do know that for most companies it is a difficult balance between respecting privacy for the deceased and performing an investigation if it was indicated that something in the workplace was a factor.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by pietroglyph »

ColanR wrote: post #35
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. The idea that a rag-tag group of citizens with a stockpile of AR-15s could challenge "tyranny" by fighting a modern US military is laughable.

Vietnam beat the US. The Taliban is beating the US. The US was founded when farmers used guerrilla warfare tactics against the current world superpower. South America guerrillas are unbeatable. It's really your position that is untenable.

I think that GP's position is tenable if the tyranny comes slowly. Sure, a country-wide armed insurgency is hard to beat. That's relatively uncontroversial. If most people are comfortable as the water boils around them, however, then the armed insurgency is not going to be country-wide.

I think that argument has some basis in history (e.g. Nazi Germany), where the tyrannical government slowly got worse and worse without major internal revolts. On the other hand, there have been times where the people snapped and revolted all at once.

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