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Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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Re: Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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Here are the totals, based on the figures in the post: 10.8% gross for A16Z 14.5% for S&P 500. Calculation: https://imgur.com/a/jeFN8fL

Ok. Picking on a firm because it didn't beat the 500 is harsh. Beating the 500 is damn hard. An 500index fund is basically a collection of large monopolies that extract cash.

Re: Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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post #4

Here are the totals, based on the figures in the post: 10.8% gross for A16Z 14.5% for S&P 500. Calculation: https://imgur.com/a/jeFN8fL

Ok. Picking on a firm because it didn't beat the 500 is harsh. Beating the 500 is damn hard. An 500index fund is basically a collection of large monopolies that extract cash.

Yes, but then why invest in an actively managed fund at all, as an LP? whole premise is that fund managers can beat an index such as the S&P500 or total market etc.

Re: Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. Picking on a firm because it didn't beat the 500 is harsh. Beating the 500 is damn hard. An 500index fund is basically a collection of large monopolies that extract cash.

Yes, but then why invest in an actively managed fund at all, as an LP? whole premise is that fund managers can beat an index such as the S&P500 or total market etc.

*over a certain time period.

That's why diversification is important

Re: Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. Picking on a firm because it didn't beat the 500 is harsh. Beating the 500 is damn hard. An 500index fund is basically a collection of large monopolies that extract cash.

Yes, but then why invest in an actively managed fund at all, as an LP? whole premise is that fund managers can beat an index such as the S&P500 or total market etc.

LPs don’t invest in funds to beat the market. By the time they are investing in VC they have already have millions in traditional investments like index funds, real estate, etc. VC investments are a high-risk, high-reward play.

Re: Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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Why anyone invests in any VC fund, when you can do better in the stock market with an index fund, at much less risk, is beyond me...

Perhaps, but we don't really know how much risk many of those VC funds are actually taking. With liquid, publicly-traded stocks we can sort of use variability of returns as a proxy for risk. But there's no equivalent good way to really quantify VC fund risk. Sure you can do risk modeling but it's just an educated guess.

Re: Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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Compare that to the returns from the top-performing funds from 2007-2015: https://mobile.twitter.com/zavaindar/status/1159660549615116...

Note that this data is from preqin and doesn't include all funds, just those that self report or have LPs who publish returns of funds they invested in

Re: Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but then why invest in an actively managed fund at all, as an LP? whole premise is that fund managers can beat an index such as the S&P500 or total market etc.

LPs don’t invest in funds to beat the market. By the time they are investing in VC they have already have millions in traditional investments like index funds, real estate, etc. VC investments are a high-risk, high-reward play.

Individual VC investments are a high-risk, high reward play, but for an LP, investments in large baskets of VC investments via VC funds are ideally intended to collect an uncorrelated risk premium. The idea isn't to simply to beat the SP500, its to diversify, and thus improve risk adjusted returns, of their broader investment portfolio.

For large institutional LP's like pension funds, endowments, charities, etc, they need steady smooth returns that they can draw upon year after year to fund their beneficiaries. In particular a down year really hurts them since they will have to draw down on their principal. This is a very different risk calculus to an individual saving for retirement who can stomach 30-40 years of stock market volatility with a good probability of having enough money at the end of their career.

So rather than chucking the bulk of their fund in to the asset with the highest expected returns as an individual might, these institutional investors buy a big basket of very different return streams (i.e. as uncorrelated as possible) to smooth out the bumps in each one.

Re: Andreessen Horowitz Returns Slip, According to Internal Data

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Why anyone invests in any VC fund, when you can do better in the stock market with an index fund, at much less risk, is beyond me...

Presumably, you don't invest in a VC fund unless you have already put a lot into the stock market. Diversification?
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