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Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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Some prison rules are written in blood. Most prison rules are written in bureaucracy and profit motive. No prison escape movie ever ended with the guard preventing future escapes by instituting a new "no sleeveless shirts when visiting an inmate" rule.

Forgive my ignorance, but how do sleeveless shirts help facilitate an escape?

You want to get out to see the rest of that side-boob.

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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Hell I had a buddy in high school that went through and wrote a custom program that's only function was to perfectly 'emulate' the entire calculators menu system, so that when asked to demonstrate that he had no notes or programs, he could go through the entire process of showing nothing being archived and then wiping the memory. Dude wound up in the Stanford CS program after high school, so clearly he learned someth…

I wonder how many individual variations on this specific functionality have existed or currently exist on TI calculators in the wild. It's common enough that I see it mentioned every time TI calculators are brought up. When I got my TI-85 (one of the earliest ones), I was one of two kids (the other kid had some $500 HP monstrosity) who had a full-on graphing calculator so "clearing the memory" wasn't even on the teac…

A week or two before the AP calculus exam, my calculus teacher had us all line up to install special software for solving exam problems, and then taught us how to use it.

This wasn't really necessary, as I had enough time remaining to redo the whole test without the programs, and then a third run without the calculator.

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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This can be summed up pretty easily. The TI graphing calculator has no internet access and no ability to store notes. Neither ability can be easily added. As long as that is the case, they will win, because the test companies don't want to deal with people having internet access and notes. Now if Apple/Android made a simple way for a test proctor to put your phone into a single app only that you couldn't easily break…

Hah, oh yes. But most proctors also don’t know about the program that makes it just look like you cleared your programs but actually is showing an image of a cleared calculator’s program menu.

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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This can be summed up pretty easily. The TI graphing calculator has no internet access and no ability to store notes. Neither ability can be easily added. As long as that is the case, they will win, because the test companies don't want to deal with people having internet access and notes. Now if Apple/Android made a simple way for a test proctor to put your phone into a single app only that you couldn't easily break…

The only way to have a way for OEMs to provide a proctor mode in the context of the test is to take away your personal freedom to use your device in all contexts. The cure is vastly worse than the disease. It would on the other hand be trivial to provide a device owned by the school that Only runs calculator software without admin access. It would also probably cost at least a $100 per unit and be less familiar to st…

The HP Prime calculator has these features. Non-destructive but restrictive test mode, and the teacher/instructor or whomever can see if you've escaped test mode thanks to status LEDs on the device.

They thought of those things and implemented a good system.

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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There was the little known, but powerful combo called "GROUP" and "ARCHIVE". GROUP allowed you to package together a set of programs. Archive would allow you to take that group and store it in the long term memory of the calculator. You can then "clear the memory" of the calculator, but can then immediately unarchive the grouped programs and get everything back how it was. That said, I don't recall my teachers ever g…

Back in Algebra 1 my teacher had a policy that you were allowed to use any program that you wrote yourself. More teachers should do that, though it'd get challenging to enforce if it weren't just the one or two nerdy kids taking you up on it.

I remember writing programs for my TI-85, and I learned those formulas better than if I'd just memorized them for the test. I don't think our teachers had any rules about this stuff, and they probably didn't even know it was possible.

I think the bigger "loophole" is the ability to quickly solve simultaneous and and quadratic equations very easily using built-in functions on the calculators. This saves real time on tests like the SAT, because all you have to do is reorganize the equation to be in the right order, then tap in the coefficients to get the answer.

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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Back in Algebra 1 my teacher had a policy that you were allowed to use any program that you wrote yourself. More teachers should do that, though it'd get challenging to enforce if it weren't just the one or two nerdy kids taking you up on it.

I remember writing programs for my TI-85, and I learned those formulas better than if I'd just memorized them for the test. I don't think our teachers had any rules about this stuff, and they probably didn't even know it was possible. I think the bigger "loophole" is the ability to quickly solve simultaneous and and quadratic equations very easily using built-in functions on the calculators. This saves real time on t…

The TI-89 is definitely not fair in a calculus class because it can solve most of the problems for you

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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I mean you could store some dumbly ciphered information on a sheet too, but I guess it's not as convenient

A microcontroller with a decent CPU (a Zilog Z80 in this case) could, given enough time, run some serious AES-256 encryption. The storage is minimal but it could be good enough. Of course, you could always use a paper one-time pad, and if you can get the pad distributed without interception, there's no way they can ever break that.

once you've gotten to this level, you're pretty much guaranteed an A regardless

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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I still have and use my TI-84+ that I purchased when I started college. As a professional I use it here and there but rarely for anything that actually needs more than a basic scientific calculator. During college (civil engineering) I used many of the more powerful functions like matrix math stuff. In high school, I don't think I used a graphing calculator once. Just doesn't seem necessary to teach geometry and alge…

Yea, I loved by TI91 (I think that was it's designation); very durable, long battery life, a real work horse. I still have it. Don't remember how to to anything on it. The thing is, a full computer, python notebook, and keyboard are quite an advancement over that even. I get that $100 is high, but it's in the range of other BS like always-new textbooks. My only regret about these calculators is that they really are old tech now. In almost any industry or research we don't use calculators almost even, we always use full laptops. Kids should train on the best tech we use in the field, that's the laptop.

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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Some prison rules are written in blood. Most prison rules are written in bureaucracy and profit motive. No prison escape movie ever ended with the guard preventing future escapes by instituting a new "no sleeveless shirts when visiting an inmate" rule.

Forgive my ignorance, but how do sleeveless shirts help facilitate an escape?

Perhaps a reference to Prison Break, where a character had a map of the prison tattood to his body? Just a guess.

Re: Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end?

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In prison, only non-programmable calculators were allowed. A friend somehow had gotten a TI-85 in. I programmed it to say "NON-PROGRAMMABLE CALCULATOR" as its startup message, so they wouldn't take it during a random search. I also wrote a basic stock portfolio manager - this was the only chance I had to program during my 5 years there.

What'd they get you for?

Illegal operations.
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