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Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

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post #73

True story: I have two very close younger friends who are practically my little brothers. They come from an established family in Hollywood, and have a very famous actor-dad. The younger brother is about 20 now, and is friends with half of the teen “influencers” on Instagram/YouTube; the older brother is about 22, and hangs with a group of LA kids who are obsessed with the movie American Psycho and dress/look the par…

I want the movie rights to your post

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

#112
post #73

True story: I have two very close younger friends who are practically my little brothers. They come from an established family in Hollywood, and have a very famous actor-dad. The younger brother is about 20 now, and is friends with half of the teen “influencers” on Instagram/YouTube; the older brother is about 22, and hangs with a group of LA kids who are obsessed with the movie American Psycho and dress/look the par…

Maybe you should relay this story to the FTC and the federal prosecutors so they can investigate this and bring Juul to justice.

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#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is itself a carcinogen. But in general, smokeless tobacco products (including vaping) are much less damaging to your health than smoking.

Statistically, vaping products are far more dangerous than smoking. Smoking may cause cancer and lung disease which kills smokers over time, but that time period is measured in years and decades. In contrast, 8 people have died in the last few months from vaping-related illnesses despite most of them being active and healthy only a month or two before their deaths. Another several hundred people are in hospital beds…

This is blatant misinformation. The majority of those with 'vaping illnesses' that have created this Hysteria reported using black market THC vapor cartridges.

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

#114
post #2

Honest question: how much of the recent pushback could be attributed to incumbents feeling threatened by Juul et al.?

Maybe a better question is who would benefit from Juul failing? I'm not sure who. I don't think it's big tobacco. They need vaping to addict the next generation. Maybe vaping spend is taking away from another vice.

this isn't about juul failing -

it's about regulating the vaping industry so that entry /certification costs are so high that only incumbents can afford to certify their products and therefore capture market share from the small/independent players

this will be done by:

1) a draconian 'ban everything' scare-tactic that everyone knows is ridiculous (where we are now)

2) followed up by the 'reasonable compromise measure' (coming soon to a media spectacle near you)

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is itself a carcinogen. But in general, smokeless tobacco products (including vaping) are much less damaging to your health than smoking.

Statistically, vaping products are far more dangerous than smoking. Smoking may cause cancer and lung disease which kills smokers over time, but that time period is measured in years and decades. In contrast, 8 people have died in the last few months from vaping-related illnesses despite most of them being active and healthy only a month or two before their deaths. Another several hundred people are in hospital beds…

That's fairly disengenuous. When you say "smoking" you presuppose tobacco, but you use "vaping" to account for 8 cluster deaths in two decades without much thought for the substance.

By your logic, eating and shots kill 130 people a day[1], so how long would it take before vaccines are safer than cigarettes?

[1] https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/o...

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

#116
Vaping under 18, I get it, you’re young and dumb and succumbed to peer pressure. It happened to the best of us. But vaping after 30? It’s like they’re saying: Hey I want you to take me seriously while I am willfully destroying my body in front of you.

If you don’t care about yourself, you can’t be trusted to care about anything.

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

#117
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe a better question is who would benefit from Juul failing? Public health?

Yes, but unless you tell us how we can profit from that, that's not an interesting answer.

We can't profit from reducing national healthcare costs for things like lung disease?

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#118
post #79

One thing that gets lost in Juul and vaping supporters is just how bad nicotine addiction is for your personal life. I recently quit nicotine a few months ago and it made a big difference for me. Nicotine withdrawal kicks in very quick which is why smokers take constant breaks. The anxiety, the grumpiness, irritability and anger you feel as a smoker when you are without nicotine will piss off your partner, make you s…

I think the key with vaping (not necessarily with Juul though due to market availability) is that it's very easy to decrease the dosage of nicotine without reducing the fixation amount. For traditional cigarette smoking you want a high amount of nicotine to fill that void (and also to get through the other side of other addictive substances in tobacco beyond nicotine) and to effectively "get hooked" on vaping instead…

My own experience FWIW: I had no problems going from half a pack a day to a 3mg liquid + half a pack a week.

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

#119
post #73

True story: I have two very close younger friends who are practically my little brothers. They come from an established family in Hollywood, and have a very famous actor-dad. The younger brother is about 20 now, and is friends with half of the teen “influencers” on Instagram/YouTube; the older brother is about 22, and hangs with a group of LA kids who are obsessed with the movie American Psycho and dress/look the par…

Maybe you should delete this, seems identifiable.

Shutting down an opportunity for whistleblowing against a company that knowingly preys on minors using the addictive properties of tobacco products -- because of potentially identifiable information -- seems ludicrous.

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

#120
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Juul seems to have higher nicotine content than most of the traditional vaping juices. Even the new reusable nicotine salt devices. It's also pretty gross and strong by comparison IMO. But I guess it's for people who just stopped smoking cigarettes which is similarly harsh whenever I try them now.

Juul pods are 3 and 5% where I live. That's typical for vape juice. Are they different elsewhere?

5% is not typical. The highest strength vape juice sold in most places is around 24mg/mL or 2.4%. Most "old-school" vape users smoke something more like 12mg.
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