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Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by LinuxBender »

rjurney wrote: post #39
avgDev wrote: post #8

Oof. To answer the headline, there already is a cure to chronic pain and it is called correct diagnosis. When i was 21 I had chronic pain for 8 months, doctors gave me anti-biotics, NSAIDS, steroids.....but pain was just there. After months of research I found a surgeon in California, who performed surgeries on "Sports Hernia", almost like inguinal hernia without any bumps. I flew out to have the surgery, pictures ta…

There is usually no cure for chronic pain. This is medical fact. Your case is not descriptive. It is usually not caused by scar tissue, or an infection. For example MRI reports are only slightly correlated with actual spinal pain. It generally involves an up modulation of pain sensation in the peripheral and central nervous system. It is worthwhile to investigate the cause but most people don't find a cure like you d…

For arthritis, take a look at Sulforaphane. It is being tested on humans and dogs for arthritis with good results. Sorry I dont have links handy, but you can find them on nih.gov. Sulforaphane is also being used to reverse autism.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by CuriouslyC »

rjurney wrote: post #39
avgDev wrote: post #8

Oof. To answer the headline, there already is a cure to chronic pain and it is called correct diagnosis. When i was 21 I had chronic pain for 8 months, doctors gave me anti-biotics, NSAIDS, steroids.....but pain was just there. After months of research I found a surgeon in California, who performed surgeries on "Sports Hernia", almost like inguinal hernia without any bumps. I flew out to have the surgery, pictures ta…

There is usually no cure for chronic pain. This is medical fact. Your case is not descriptive. It is usually not caused by scar tissue, or an infection. For example MRI reports are only slightly correlated with actual spinal pain. It generally involves an up modulation of pain sensation in the peripheral and central nervous system. It is worthwhile to investigate the cause but most people don't find a cure like you d…

You're falling into the classic trap of thinking doctors know everything, but sorry to say that's not even close to true. Most doctors know next to nothing about myofascial pain (even many that really should). I've seen multiple cases of mobility impairment and chronic pain that even well a respected orthopedic surgeon thought required surgery be corrected by aggressive bodywork, including trigger point myofascial release and dry needling.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by codr7 »

avgDev wrote: post #26
codr7 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived 12 years with chronic pain caused by a smashed vertibrae from a climbing accident. No _legal_ drugs that aren't heavily addictive. And the predictable result is that you can't even get legal medicine that works any more, because no one dares to touch the addictive stuff. And I sort of get it, I went through hell getting off OxyNorm/Contin after the accident. But it's really shitty to leave people hanging w…

Not sure why someone would down vote you. How do you deal with pain? Have you tried medical pot?

Cannabis works well, as do poppy-extract/opium; but none of it is legal where I am unless you're practically dead already.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by DougWebb »

nate wrote: post #65
antidaily wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats your daily mealplan look like? I tried the Tim Ferriss slow carb diet and had success losing weight. And loved the cheat day. But didn't feel different, per se. I too have weird one shoulder push-up pain, though. So you have my attention!

Here's my some basic rules as best as I can describe it. It's not super scientific and fairly Slow-carb like. I'm still experimenting as it's really hard to dial in the specifics. Breakfast: Spinach+carrot+blueberry+strawberry+banana+flax+protein powder smoothing. We're careful with how much fruit we put in this. Can definitely make this even lower carb if we wanted to. Lunch and dinner: eat pretty normally, but I ke…

I've been losing weight using a keto diet, which is very low-carb:

- No more than 20g of NET carbs per day. (Carb grams minus soluble fiber grams in the US; food labels in other countries may already show Carb grams with the fiber subtracted out.)

- Protein depends on your lean body mass, age, sex, and activity level. See https://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/

- Fat depends on your goals and hunger. If you're trying to maintain your current weight, eat enough fat to satisfy your hunger after the carbs and protein. If you're trying to lose weight, eat less fat than that. And if you're trying to gain weight, eat more.

The limit on NET carbs guides you towards high-fiber plants, and away from sugar, most flours and other refined carbs, and starchy plants like potatoes and rice. It also limits the amount of fruit you can have, because of their high sugar content. (Occasional berries is your best option.) You'll also end up gluten free, because anything with gluten is going to be too many carbs.

It takes a week or two for most people to get past the carb-addiction cravings when starting this, and you'll feel like an addict in withdrawal. Electrolytes help. Pickle juice is great. After a month or so, you start feeling a lot better.

A helpful welcoming community can be found at /r/keto

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Post by jrace »

Wistar wrote: post #40

Perhaps naive but from NPR this morning: "For people who live with chronic pain, getting up, out and moving can seem daunting. Some fear that physical activity will make their pain worse. But in fact, researchers find the opposite is true: The right kind of exercise can help reduce pain." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/23/7548691...

And this is where using pain meds can help. Get the pain down to a lower level and then you can attempt to do normal functions. Key being not so much pain reduction that you can cause physical harm (masking good pain response).

I know (second hand) what chronic pain can do to the desire to get up and function. It destroys it.

My SO has lived with it for almost 20 years now, and is due to live with it the rest of her life.

There is no cure for her condition. You cannot fix the root cause (sympathetic nerve dysfunction) She can only hope to numb the signals to allow her to see past the pain.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by virtuallynathan »

rjurney wrote: post #60
nate wrote: post #44

Tangent from the article, but when I read the headline I thought I'd at least share in case it helps anyone who might have chronic pain like I've dealt with lately. For years now I've been suffering from tons of weird shit. I've had this persistent painful skin rash that pops up all over my body. Steroids would kill it for awhile but it would always come back. Folks would ask me if I had burned myself when they'd see…

Diet doesn't cure chronic pain. You obviously had some condition that wasn't chronic pain, where pain was a symptom of that disease.

Says who?

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by justinator »

Wistar wrote: post #40

Perhaps naive but from NPR this morning: "For people who live with chronic pain, getting up, out and moving can seem daunting. Some fear that physical activity will make their pain worse. But in fact, researchers find the opposite is true: The right kind of exercise can help reduce pain." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/23/7548691...

"Motion is Lotion"!

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by faissaloo »

nate wrote: post #44

Tangent from the article, but when I read the headline I thought I'd at least share in case it helps anyone who might have chronic pain like I've dealt with lately. For years now I've been suffering from tons of weird shit. I've had this persistent painful skin rash that pops up all over my body. Steroids would kill it for awhile but it would always come back. Folks would ask me if I had burned myself when they'd see…

Sounds like your body was having trouble making collagen

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by shawnz »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #72
rjurney wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is usually no cure for chronic pain. This is medical fact. Your case is not descriptive. It is usually not caused by scar tissue, or an infection. For example MRI reports are only slightly correlated with actual spinal pain. It generally involves an up modulation of pain sensation in the peripheral and central nervous system. It is worthwhile to investigate the cause but most people don't find a cure like you d…

You're falling into the classic trap of thinking doctors know everything, but sorry to say that's not even close to true. Most doctors know next to nothing about myofascial pain (even many that really should). I've seen multiple cases of mobility impairment and chronic pain that even well a respected orthopedic surgeon thought required surgery be corrected by aggressive bodywork, including trigger point myofascial re…

Doctors sometimes get things wrong. That doesn't mean you're MORE likely to get the answer from a layperson -- it's still much more likely that your doctor got it right.

> corrected by aggressive bodywork, including trigger point myofascial release and dry needling.

It was corrected, but that doesn't mean those techniques are what corrected it.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by faissaloo »

searine wrote: post #29
sdegutis wrote: post #20

Although there is value in trying to removing pain when doing so would be ethical, this thread mentions many situations where there is pain but no possibility yet of removing or reducing it. In these cases, a long-term general solution is to continue research on these situations. But the short-term solution per person is to learn the meaning and value of suffering. It is frowned upon in intellectual forums to discuss…

Jesus died on the cross in six hours. Let's see jesus crush a few vertebrae and live disabled for 40 years without pain meds, and then talk about suffering. Like I get it. Religion does help many, and it can take you away from pain, but suffering is real and don't shortchange people's misery who are dealing with it.

Jesus (PBUH) was never put on the cross, they crucified the wrong guy.
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