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Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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You and Jesus are assholes. May you suffer as I do and learn the value of suffering first hand.

Jesus did not take away my suffering. I asked him three times, and three times he said no. He said his grace is sufficient for me, because his power is made perfect in my weakness. I now understand why Jesus said no. Because he did not come to take away suffering, but to teach us how to endure it without failing ourselves or others.

The Fighting Jesus would mow your Jesus down with an AR. So spoke Bob Dobbs.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Tangent from the article, but when I read the headline I thought I'd at least share in case it helps anyone who might have chronic pain like I've dealt with lately. For years now I've been suffering from tons of weird shit. I've had this persistent painful skin rash that pops up all over my body. Steroids would kill it for awhile but it would always come back. Folks would ask me if I had burned myself when they'd see…

Whats your daily mealplan look like? I tried the Tim Ferriss slow carb diet and had success losing weight. And loved the cheat day. But didn't feel different, per se. I too have weird one shoulder push-up pain, though. So you have my attention!

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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I've lived 12 years with chronic pain caused by a smashed vertibrae from a climbing accident. No _legal_ drugs that aren't heavily addictive. And the predictable result is that you can't even get legal medicine that works any more, because no one dares to touch the addictive stuff. And I sort of get it, I went through hell getting off OxyNorm/Contin after the accident. But it's really shitty to leave people hanging w…

Have you tried the Butrans patch? It is buprenorhpine and as of February, 2018 there is no legal restriction on it under CDC/FDA policy: unlimited prescriptions. No special license required to prescribe it (it is against regulation to use the patch for addiction). It is now generic ($160/month with a coupon, usually requires a prior authorization), and doesn't: * Get you high * Make you drowsy * Addict you (yes, you'…

Good list. I tried some items on the list, I am still working on seeing what works. Currently trying PT to see if tendons will improve, and NSAIDS but those don't seem to work.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Oof. To answer the headline, there already is a cure to chronic pain and it is called correct diagnosis. When i was 21 I had chronic pain for 8 months, doctors gave me anti-biotics, NSAIDS, steroids.....but pain was just there. After months of research I found a surgeon in California, who performed surgeries on "Sports Hernia", almost like inguinal hernia without any bumps. I flew out to have the surgery, pictures ta…

There are a ton of studies correlating fibro with gut bacteria.

People with chronic pain have different levels of certain gut bacteria. One study claims to have cured fibro through FMT. That study has 1 subject... lol.

I am almost certain the cure for some chronic pain is in bacteria. It's cool hearing what you say about Mitochondria though.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Tangent from the article, but when I read the headline I thought I'd at least share in case it helps anyone who might have chronic pain like I've dealt with lately. For years now I've been suffering from tons of weird shit. I've had this persistent painful skin rash that pops up all over my body. Steroids would kill it for awhile but it would always come back. Folks would ask me if I had burned myself when they'd see…

Whats your daily mealplan look like? I tried the Tim Ferriss slow carb diet and had success losing weight. And loved the cheat day. But didn't feel different, per se. I too have weird one shoulder push-up pain, though. So you have my attention!

Here's my some basic rules as best as I can describe it. It's not super scientific and fairly Slow-carb like. I'm still experimenting as it's really hard to dial in the specifics.

Breakfast: Spinach+carrot+blueberry+strawberry+banana+flax+protein powder smoothing. We're careful with how much fruit we put in this. Can definitely make this even lower carb if we wanted to.

Lunch and dinner: eat pretty normally, but I keep it as low carb as possible. I also keep it fairly light in gluten and dairy. I worry I might be sensitive to gluten. It seems like that's causing my wife migraines too.

For example: Had burgers last night but no bread, no potatoes, no cheese. Just meat and veggies. Desert is usually just rice cakes with peanut butter (just nuts and salt, no added sugar) and cinnamon.

Also, no snacking. Just those meals. I'm done eating by 7pm at night. Here's the original ebook that kicked off how I eat now: https://drive.google.com/file/d/166FSLdptgLAiL96Hl29a_qss8HP...

Really just followed that for 5 days and its recipes.

I've also started fooling with not eating breakfast until 10am or later. This has helped with getting a ton of exercise done in the morning because now I don't feel so heavy doing something like running for an hour and a half.

EDIT: Also been enjoying Freshly and their microwavable meals. It's all gluten free and easy to sort their meals by carb intake.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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>If I did not do my own research, I would literally still be living with this pain If you want to hire someone to do a job, you need to know how to do the job yourself. If you don't know, then you're prime target for stunt performances or casual incompetence.

> If you want to hire someone to do a job, you need to know how to do the job yourself. This is simply not possible with the degree of specialization in the modern economy. There's no way you can be an electrician-plumber-mechanic-doctor-lawyer-IT specialist. This is precisely why people care about reputations and gossip.

> There's no way you can be an electrician-plumber-mechanic-doctor-lawyer-IT specialist.

That's an interesting list. I agree with your general feeling on this. But in my case, out of necessity, I have had to become an expert in each of the fields you mention, and many more. By expert I'll say I know more than the average licensed person. The average. I also have cultivated professional relationships with people in each of the categories who are competent and know more than me. Which is a minority of each field.

I think that "If you want to hire someone to do a job, you need to know how to do the job yourself." is true in many ways because the average level of competence by specialists is low. I also agree that it's not easily possible to be competent as a very competent specialist in all of these fields. Where we perhaps disagree is that I would say it is possible for an amateur to become above average compared to professionals in all of these fields. In most of these fields I would much rather pay someone to do it. I don't particularly enjoy the work. But paying someone gets me substandard and incompetent work even in licensed fields most of the time, until I know more than the average practitioner.

Also when we are talking about a lot of trades, though smart people used to be well represented in them, it's less the case these days. So tradesmen often don't have a lot of sense for diagnosing or doing proper work. A smarter person is going to be able to do a better job, even though he doesn't want to have to do that. But he may have no choice if he wants work done properly.

As far as reputation and recommendations I've personally found that seldom works to find the best people. I recognize others experience may differ. The problem is the person doing the recommendation will recommend a relative, friend, or someone they know who does bad work but they don't realize it because they are unable to judge it properly. For a recommendation to be good the recommend-er also has to know enough about the field to identify skilled practitioners. Most people don't know this much unless they are skilled in the field themselves.

The best people I've found have been through brute force search techniques of hiring over and over until I find someone that is able to do things well.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Although there is value in trying to removing pain when doing so would be ethical, this thread mentions many situations where there is pain but no possibility yet of removing or reducing it. In these cases, a long-term general solution is to continue research on these situations. But the short-term solution per person is to learn the meaning and value of suffering. It is frowned upon in intellectual forums to discuss…

> a humble trust that Jesus came into this world to suffer and die for our sake

'humble trust' is a genuinely useful attitude to have towards reality, but impossible to achieve towards a description of the world one does not believe to be true.

You have things backward - if you genuinely intend your prescription to be helpful you need first to offer your readers reasons to believe your specific supernatural claims to be true.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline... the answer is no.

Let's hope so.

No sense of pain can result in severe self-inflicted injuries and premature death

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families...

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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No. Or not in our lifetime, maybe is the better answer.

My gut says a lot of “chronic pain” that ends up hardwiring the brain to be noticed.

Reinforce a neural pathway often enough and it won’t quiet down.

The buzz will be there and we can’t be sure our sore spot hurts or our brain simply can’t avoid that pathway.

See phantom limb and similar.

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