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How are purchasing juul pods any different than cigarettes?

you don't need to purchase a lighter to use them and they last longer.

Yes.. but they need to source that juul pod somehow - a lighter isn't really an obstacle point for smoking..

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Honest question: how much of the recent pushback could be attributed to incumbents feeling threatened by Juul et al.?

Maybe a better question is who would benefit from Juul failing?

I'm not sure who. I don't think it's big tobacco. They need vaping to addict the next generation. Maybe vaping spend is taking away from another vice.

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1. They taste better 2. Yes, they are easier to get, for a couple reasons: once you have a juul you only need juul pods, and additionally you don't need to purchase a lighter (which you need to be over eighteen a lot of places to purchase). edit 3. They are far more discreet (you can vape in a classroom if you are in the back and it is dark) and deliver more nicotine.

Why is it easier to buy juul pods than a pack of cigarettes? And I'm not aware of any place in the states you need to be over 18 to buy a lighter - and as a former dumbass teenager, I don't think kids have difficulty in figuring out how to light things on fire. Discretion makes sense, but I feel like rationalizing an irrational decision here. Wouldn't it be more discrete not to vape?

> Why is it easier to buy juul pods than a pack of cigarettes?

There are non-nicotine pods. And they have all of the social addictiveness even if they don't have actual nicotine in them.

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

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> 28% of high school students this year said they had used an e-cigarette at least once in the past 30 days Holy smokes! If you look at data from a few years ago [1] that's more than double what you'd see for cigarette smoking (eyeballing the numbers here, the data is more granular). Is it easier for kids to get e-cigs than cigarettes? Or do they just want them more? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK294302/table…

I can see that happening without resorting to crime, though. Which is not to say that Juul didn't break the law, but I would imagine that even if Juul died today, something else would just become the new Juul.

I get the feeling that someone "needs to be punished" for this happening, but I'm not quite sure that impulse is totally noble and just.

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Is this for real? Do you have sources for the last 2 statements?

There are tons of sources for this. From the house oversight committee - https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/economic-and... NYTimes - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping.... Others - https://nypost.com/2019/07/26/juul-targeted-teens-by-spendin... The FTC has already been investigating them for a while now as well - https://www.wsj.com/articles/juuls-marketing-practices-under...

Who decided to let Juul give a presentation at the schools? It sounds like all of those people need to be fired, too. I mean, obviously Juul is not innocent, but at the least on the schools' part, this is negligence to a point you need to fire someone.

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How are purchasing juul pods any different than cigarettes?

you don't need to purchase a lighter to use them and they last longer.

Lighters are inexpensive, common, and last a long time.

Juul pods are age-restricted consumables, just like cigarettes.

I think the lack of odor, more agreeable flavors, and less health or social stigma are more important. I doubt e-cigarettes differ much from cigarettes in how easy it is to get ahold of when underage, although perhaps adults are more willing to sell them to or buy them for teenagers on the belief that they're harmless.

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you don't need to purchase a lighter to use them and they last longer.

Yes.. but they need to source that juul pod somehow - a lighter isn't really an obstacle point for smoking..

In California when I was a teenager six years ago it certainly was an obstacle.

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

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Honest question: how much of the recent pushback could be attributed to incumbents feeling threatened by Juul et al.?

Maybe a better question is who would benefit from Juul failing? I'm not sure who. I don't think it's big tobacco. They need vaping to addict the next generation. Maybe vaping spend is taking away from another vice.

> Maybe a better question is who would benefit from Juul failing?

Public health?

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it easier to buy juul pods than a pack of cigarettes? And I'm not aware of any place in the states you need to be over 18 to buy a lighter - and as a former dumbass teenager, I don't think kids have difficulty in figuring out how to light things on fire. Discretion makes sense, but I feel like rationalizing an irrational decision here. Wouldn't it be more discrete not to vape?

> Why is it easier to buy juul pods than a pack of cigarettes? There are non-nicotine pods. And they have all of the social addictiveness even if they don't have actual nicotine in them.

if there’s no nicotine, then who cares? Magic the Gathering cards and pogs were addicting back in the day, but kids could still buy them.

Re: Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul

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Honest question: how much of the recent pushback could be attributed to incumbents feeling threatened by Juul et al.?

Maybe a better question is who would benefit from Juul failing? I'm not sure who. I don't think it's big tobacco. They need vaping to addict the next generation. Maybe vaping spend is taking away from another vice.

Those of us who are annoyed by people vaping around us would benefit from less vaping. I won't claim to know or believe that Juul specifically failing would actually lead to less vaping, but it can't hurt.
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