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Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by lazyjones »

Tepix wrote: post #14
lazyjones wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The goals of the Paris agreement are not within reach with the current measures Are you interested in reduction of global emissions or in the goals of the Paris agreement? Decide and then inform yourself about the difference. The Paris agreement is responsible for China and India emitting CO2 recklessly, because it treats them as developing nations and their goals are defined in terms of GDP while "ours" aren't. A…

That article about Florida's reefs is interesting. But reefs are dying due to coral bleaching all over the planet, even in areas with no fertilizer such as the Maldives. And rising temperatures are the leading cause (source: https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/invertebrates/corals-and-cor... ) > the world becomes greener and more fertile That's not what the science says. Some areas may see improvements, but globally harv…

> globally harvests will go down and we will see a lot of refugees and hunger as a result.

The science predicts these with some degree of uncertainty but surely in the past 100 years of warming we should have seen some of that already? Harvests are up lately, hunger is very much down and the regions where population growth is highest are among the hottest in the world, closest to the equator.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

lazyjones wrote: post #16
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I like it warmer though, where's my lobby? ;-)" You have a ton? They kind of dwarf climate change lobbyists in size and influence? They've been wildly successful at breaking the Paris agreement?

> They've been wildly successful at breaking the Paris agreement? Would you kindly elaborate on that, what exactly did "they" break? Can you point me to some TV interviews or documentaries on MSM showing their superior influence compared to "climate change activists"?

I mean, given that there is no carbon tax, carbon use has been increasing, and the federal government of my nation is stripping a state's stricter gas emissions laws for vehicles, I think lobbyists against climate change activism have been wildly successful.

And "they" means "your lobbyists". "They" is a pronoun referring to an arbitrary number of people for which have already been declared in English grammar.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by ball_of_lint »

whydoyoucare wrote: post #13

Was her message to (failing to) act imply actual technical steps and commitment to reduce certain variables in certain years or increase taxes? I am confused here. sarcasm And yes, of course, global warming is the biggest existential threat to humanity. Poverty, hunger, addiction, homelessness, open defecation, and other trivial issues aren't really the ones Governments' should prioritize, it should be protecting hum…

This is a straw man. No one thinks climate change is the only thing a government should spend money on. Many do think it has not been taken as seriously as it ought to be given the significance of the harms it leads to.

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Post by qnsi »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

Do you believe mass migration from whole world to Canada Russia Greenland and Antarctica would work out without war?

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Post by [deleted] »

barbazoo wrote: post #7
Tepix wrote: post #5

It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda. That's obviously nonsense. Listen to her! All she asks is that the politicians listen to the scientists.

That, and that governments do what they promised they would do in the Paris agreement. It should really not be that controversial.

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Post by thelazydogsback »

sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

Agreed. At some point we have to realize that as a species we don't all have the "right" to reproduce as much as we want. Technically the earth together with technology should be able to support quite a bit more population, but given that we're not willing to make any sacrifices in the behavior of the living, limiting growth until we do is the other option. But telling someone they can't make babies is the only thing worse for a politician than saying you can't drive your big-ass car around or consume and throw away all the crap you like...

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Post by monkeynotes »

sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

Probably because the subject attacks the fundamental instinct to procreate. How do you tell a couple that they legally can't have children? Many of my friends define their lives around having a family, it gives people a deep, and rewarding purpose.

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Post by Hamuko »

fromthestart wrote: post #19
Tepix wrote: post #5

It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda. That's obviously nonsense. Listen to her! All she asks is that the politicians listen to the scientists.

>It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda Please. She's a 16 year old child with no evidence of any particularly exemplary understanding of climate change or its impact on the world. She clearly has support from people with deep pockets, and the fact that they've chosen an approximately average child to deliver this message shows th…

Oh no, a 16-year-old child with a basic understanding of climate change. This must be the work of the fucking Freemasons!

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Post by qnsi »

lazyjones wrote: post #16
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I like it warmer though, where's my lobby? ;-)" You have a ton? They kind of dwarf climate change lobbyists in size and influence? They've been wildly successful at breaking the Paris agreement?

> They've been wildly successful at breaking the Paris agreement? Would you kindly elaborate on that, what exactly did "they" break? Can you point me to some TV interviews or documentaries on MSM showing their superior influence compared to "climate change activists"?

For example EU not implementing carbon tax in the 90s because of the lobbyists

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Post by lazyjones »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #22
lazyjones wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They've been wildly successful at breaking the Paris agreement? Would you kindly elaborate on that, what exactly did "they" break? Can you point me to some TV interviews or documentaries on MSM showing their superior influence compared to "climate change activists"?

I mean, given that there is no carbon tax, carbon use has been increasing, and the federal government of my nation is stripping a state's stricter gas emissions laws for vehicles, I think lobbyists against climate change activism have been wildly successful. And "they" means "your lobbyists". "They" is a pronoun referring to an arbitrary number of people for which have already been declared in English grammar.

> given that there is no carbon tax

There is in some countries and more and more are considering one.

> carbon use has been increasing

Where? Not in the EU and USA if you mean emissions and not something like paper use...

> I think lobbyists against climate change activism have been wildly successful.

But why are they practically invisible? How can the news / the MSM report on climate change every day despite all that lobbying and not a single authoritative voice against it is heard? Except Trump, sometimes and other politicians shunned by the media.

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