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Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by blobs »

wonderwonder wrote: post #10

"the four types of antimicrobial drug most commonly used in farm animals to help them gain weight — tetracyclines, sulfonamides, quinolones and penicillins — are also the ones with highest resistance rates." It never ceases to amaze me the decisions that we as a species make with full knowledge of the consequences that seem to be geared towards implementing wide spread disaster. We as a species have very much decided…

> We as a species have very much decided that short term gains are well worth

We as a species (as a whole) cannot decide about anything, that's an illusion. Governments decide to allow or disallow for, not us commoners. And it hardly matters on what democratic party you vote, money/economy is their highest priority, everything else is subordinate. So yes, governments allow for this just as they allow for pesticides killing entire insect species, it simply brings in tax money and they cannot afford to disallow.

Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by pulisse »

maxerickson wrote: post #14
kryogen1c wrote: post #9

Source paper https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6459/eaaw1944.ful... >From 2000 to 2018, the proportion of antimicrobial compounds with resistance higher than 50% (P50) increased from 0.15 to 0.41 in chickens and from 0.13 to 0.34 in pigs and plateaued between 0.12 and 0.23 in cattle. >Globally, 73% of all antimicrobials sold on Earth are used in animals raised for food. Jeeeesus. It sure feels like humanity…

Resistance to antibiotics would take us back to 1900, not to the brink of annihilation. My point isn't to dismiss the problem, just that it would mean things like surgery being much riskier, not massive die offs.

> Resistance to antibiotics would take us back to 1900, not to the brink of annihilation.

You can't assume that the virulence of bacteria with evolved antibiotic resistance will be like that of the strains that existed in 1900.

Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by maxerickson »

pulisse wrote: post #22
maxerickson wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Resistance to antibiotics would take us back to 1900, not to the brink of annihilation. My point isn't to dismiss the problem, just that it would mean things like surgery being much riskier, not massive die offs.

> Resistance to antibiotics would take us back to 1900, not to the brink of annihilation. You can't assume that the virulence of bacteria with evolved antibiotic resistance will be like that of the strains that existed in 1900.

There's plenty of evidence at this point, it isn't an assumption.

Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by vas777 »

airstrike wrote: post #16
StreamBright wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need a new drug platform because the current model only satisfy the owners of the pharma corporations.

this has nothing to do with how Big Pharma develops drugs...

Why ? If new antibiotics are not profitable in the long run, then you don't do that. That was presented in the podcast.

What is your explanation?

Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by prongletown »

kryogen1c wrote: post #19
whenchamenia wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its simple to get to know your local rancher. You can even voice your concerns and have them heard by the person raising your beef, while walking the ranch on a nkce day. Factory farms are the bigger problem, not just meat per-se.

> Its simple to get to know your local rancher. >Factory farms are the bigger problem, not just meat per-se. Not just meat farms! One thing vegans and vegetarians often gloss over is the death per calorie involved in crop fields. Those thousands of acres have animals in them, and the machines sure dont stop for every varmit that gets in the way. It is not clear what the right answer is (assuming all you care about is…

>eat well raised cow meat

It takes significantly more feed to raise a cow. The calories extracted from cow meat is extremely inefficient considering the high number of calories in (feed) and water. So, you could not use feed (vegetable death-per-calorie!) because it's something like a 8:1 calorie ratio for feed to a pound of beef. You'd have to pasture raise the cows.

There is no feasible way to ensure that all food is pasture-grazing cow meat at a price point accessible to most Americans.

There is currently no cruelty free-way to have cheap, accessible calories. If you really wanted the lowest death-per-calorie, one of the most feasible approaches would be consuming large amounts of rice.

I don't think anyone would want to subsist exclusively on a diet of rice, beans, and dietary supplements.

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Post by heavyset_go »

wonderwonder wrote: post #10

"the four types of antimicrobial drug most commonly used in farm animals to help them gain weight — tetracyclines, sulfonamides, quinolones and penicillins — are also the ones with highest resistance rates." It never ceases to amaze me the decisions that we as a species make with full knowledge of the consequences that seem to be geared towards implementing wide spread disaster. We as a species have very much decided…

> We as a species have very much decided that short term gains are well worth long term disaster.

Sounds like a minority of people with power and influence have decided the rules in which they're allowed to exercise that power for profit.

Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by [deleted] »

kryogen1c wrote: post #9

Source paper https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6459/eaaw1944.ful... >From 2000 to 2018, the proportion of antimicrobial compounds with resistance higher than 50% (P50) increased from 0.15 to 0.41 in chickens and from 0.13 to 0.34 in pigs and plateaued between 0.12 and 0.23 in cattle. >Globally, 73% of all antimicrobials sold on Earth are used in animals raised for food. Jeeeesus. It sure feels like humanity…

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Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by throwaway-hn123 »

maxerickson wrote: post #23
pulisse wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Resistance to antibiotics would take us back to 1900, not to the brink of annihilation. You can't assume that the virulence of bacteria with evolved antibiotic resistance will be like that of the strains that existed in 1900.

There's plenty of evidence at this point, it isn't an assumption.

> There's plenty of evidence at this point, it isn't an assumption.

Literally bullshit. Please stop with your ignorance.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4165128/

Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by kevinmgranger »

kryogen1c wrote: post #19
whenchamenia wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its simple to get to know your local rancher. You can even voice your concerns and have them heard by the person raising your beef, while walking the ranch on a nkce day. Factory farms are the bigger problem, not just meat per-se.

> Its simple to get to know your local rancher. >Factory farms are the bigger problem, not just meat per-se. Not just meat farms! One thing vegans and vegetarians often gloss over is the death per calorie involved in crop fields. Those thousands of acres have animals in them, and the machines sure dont stop for every varmit that gets in the way. It is not clear what the right answer is (assuming all you care about is…

Those crop fields are also harvested to feed farm animals. Eating meat requires more crops (and thus acreage) per calorie to the human consumer than eating the crops directly.

Eating meat will always have a higher death per calorie. An informed vegan knows that there is no such thing as a cruelty-free diet, only one that minimizes it.

Re: Farm animals in India and China are becoming more resistant to antibiotics

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Post by Mikeb85 »

prongletown wrote: post #25
kryogen1c wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its simple to get to know your local rancher. >Factory farms are the bigger problem, not just meat per-se. Not just meat farms! One thing vegans and vegetarians often gloss over is the death per calorie involved in crop fields. Those thousands of acres have animals in them, and the machines sure dont stop for every varmit that gets in the way. It is not clear what the right answer is (assuming all you care about is…

>eat well raised cow meat It takes significantly more feed to raise a cow. The calories extracted from cow meat is extremely inefficient considering the high number of calories in (feed) and water. So, you could not use feed (vegetable death-per-calorie!) because it's something like a 8:1 calorie ratio for feed to a pound of beef. You'd have to pasture raise the cows. There is no feasible way to ensure that all food…

> There is no feasible way to ensure that all food is pasture-grazing cow meat at a price point accessible to most Americans.

Maybe Americans (westerners in general actually) should simply eat less? 3 oz of meat per day is enough (5 oz of protein is recommended, but part of that can easily be filled by grains, legumes, cheese, milk, etc...). No one needs 10 oz of meat per day (current average consumption for Americans).

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