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Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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As a young autodidact struggling to fit into the traditional education world this is a welcome gift. To me a traditional diploma granting institution is now akin to a rubber stamp. You're not paying for the education, you're paying for the brand under the assumption that it will get you a job. I could rant, but I plan on doing it in a cohesive and informed blog release or something at a later date. MIT diffuses my cy…

I went to a small liberal arts school (Clark University in Worcester, Mass), and majored in physics and minored in mathematics. Of the 32 courses I took there, 2-3 were bullshit courses. The required "perspectives" as the called them. And even with the scholarships, the education was not cheap. I ended up graduating without having taken a single computer science/engineering course. I then proceeded to work as a software developer, having taught myself Pascal, C, C++, Java, PHP, JavaScript, Python, SQL, and 2-3 other much more niche languages while in middle school, high school and college. I am now in my third year working full time as a software developer and I am not looking to go back to physics directly. From a certain perspective it may seem that I have wasted four years at Clark. I rarely use the knowledge I gained there directly.

However, I need to emphasize the opportunities that I had at Clark. First, I worked in a research lab since my first year. It did not start out as cutting edge "wow look at what I've discovered" type stuff, but by my junior year I was working on novel and interesting stuff (related to organic magnetism). My findings were surprising to me as well as to my professors (of course having to do a lot with their guidance). This is not something you can do on your own. You either work for a private company's R&D (probably requires quite a bit of the "rubber stamps" you mention), the government (even more of 'em) or at a research University. This alone was worth it for me.

Next, I worked as a Resident Advisor for almost three years. This is a job which requires you to learn a ton about people, how to deal with them, how to lead them. Not something that can be taught in a classroom, but also I think something that is perfectly practiced on 250+ freshmen entering the campus. Not a job I'd want to have as a career, but one of the most valuable life lessons I've learned.

On top of that, I got to work for the IT department there and actually develop fairly complex web applications. Besides working with great people, it also provided me with awesome references, and so far quite a few hours of freelance work after I graduated. Yes, I could have done projects on my own, but this kind of work was a bit different. For example, I learned to gather requirements, estimate development time, etc.

Lastly, I met some awesome people. I understand that places like MIT take this effect to the next level. I don't have a large network of people in my field from Clark. However, I did have a friend there with whom I developed a social network which showcased my talents to my potential employers after I graduated, and allowed me to get my offer letters. True, I could have met someone to work with elsewhere, but having a large-ish web project under my belt made getting a job easy.

Basically, what I am trying to say is that from a certain perspective I did not waste my time at Clark. I did not walk the alternative path, but I did enjoy the one I did walk.

P.S.: I think that comp. sci. and computer engineering are a special field. Much of the stuff you'd care to learn is online. FOSS makes it easy to learn and experiment and read great code. Anyone with an analytical mind, lots of persistence and free time can become a software developer at least on some level. My wife is currently going through a graduate program to become a Physician Assistant (a clinician in the US). Her experience is drastically different. Everything is very practical. Today she is learning how to put on casts, for example. This is stuff she will be using. Here the dimploma is still a proof that you actually are able to decide matters of health, life and death; prescribe medication; perform surgery; deliver babies; or tell a patient they have cancer. My point is that not all fields have the same issues as others.

Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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Khan giving them a bit of scare? I bet...

Are you sure? Salman Khan did graduate from MIT, so I figure things tend more towards cooperation than competition.

I'm only implying friendly competition, though MIT does have a little "not made here" syndrome.

Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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The first thought that popped into my mind from reading this was when is there going to be a bachelor's equivalency exam? Perhaps a new potential market for the ETS?

It isn't a bachelor's equivalency exam but if you take enough credits you can get a degree entirely by examination.

http://www.excelsior.edu/ecapps/exams/creditByExam.jsf

Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do think this is a genuine attempt to spread knowledge. Even being cynical there is no real downside for them. People will still want to go to MIT 'for real' and they will still fill their lecture halls with paying students - even if MIT could expand to take everyone that wanted to go there - this would dilute the MIT brand. Allowing everyone else to get the knowledge for free simply kills the competition, there is…

Maybe if smaller state-colleges are smart they can leverage OCW to their advantage. Instead of doing their own lectures and coursework, they'll use OCW and focus on adding value where OCW cannot with things like instructor led discussion and Q&A sessions about the lecture you've just seen, helping with and grading coursework, one-on-one assistance with assignments, handing out certificates or diplomas upon completing…

That was the idea, and why MIT were surprised that most people were using it on their own.

What I meant was that there was no market for a small college selling lectures online for $100s when you could get MIT for free. It won't change the economics of people going to college

Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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Great to see that MIT are addressing the most important problem with OCW: organizing the knowledge intelligibly. I'm currently having fun with their introduction to programming that uses Python: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-comput... . (Get the lectures on iTunes U.) Granted, I don't know if that's the best gateway drug to programming, but it has the irrefutable advantage of assignments that…

Also another good "beginner" (was already a programmer, and it was still a great course) course that actually has everything - lectures, notes, textbook, assignments, tests and answers! - available free online is the UC Berkley CS61A course.

The course teaches the fundamentals of Computer Science with Scheme (Lisp) and the book is SICP (a really great all-around CS book). I watched all the lectures, and did most of the assignments over a month or two last year and learned a lot. Sometimes you have to Google around for old tests/answer keys, but resources for the entire course are online. I highly recommend it if you are remotely interested in programming.

Multiple Semesters of Audio/Video Lectures are on iTunesU

Resources from the Summer 2010 Course:http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61a/su10/

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Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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Already posted this in longer form as a reply [1], but the UC Berkeley CS courses that are available online are really great, and you can usually find ALL the material for the course online.

If you want to learn Scheme (Lisp), I highly recommend CS61A [2]

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2103949 [2] http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61a/su10/ Lectures on iTunesU

Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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Great to see that MIT are addressing the most important problem with OCW: organizing the knowledge intelligibly. I'm currently having fun with their introduction to programming that uses Python: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-comput... . (Get the lectures on iTunes U.) Granted, I don't know if that's the best gateway drug to programming, but it has the irrefutable advantage of assignments that…

If you're working through the 6.00 class, you may be interested in joining the people on Curious Reef who are doing that class also: http://curiousreef.com/class/mit-opencourseware-600-introduc.... Over 250 people have joined that class so far.

(disclosure, Curious Reef is my website)

Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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As a young autodidact struggling to fit into the traditional education world this is a welcome gift. To me a traditional diploma granting institution is now akin to a rubber stamp. You're not paying for the education, you're paying for the brand under the assumption that it will get you a job. I could rant, but I plan on doing it in a cohesive and informed blog release or something at a later date. MIT diffuses my cy…

I went to a small liberal arts school (Clark University in Worcester, Mass), and majored in physics and minored in mathematics. Of the 32 courses I took there, 2-3 were bullshit courses. The required "perspectives" as the called them. And even with the scholarships, the education was not cheap. I ended up graduating without having taken a single computer science/engineering course. I then proceeded to work as a softw…

I agree with the benefits you've mentioned, I think right now I'm just bitter. I would think a liberal arts school, particularly Clark, would offer a significantly different experience than the one I received. As well, I think I would enjoy a practical program like the one your wife is going through. That is clearly learning tangible skills valuable in the real world.

I think my largest frustration is that the purpose of school, in my humble opinion, is to educate students. To get information (a liberal definition of information capabilities, skills, networks, etc.) from textbooks and professors and extracurricular programs, and cram into the students head in a way that leaves them capable of using it in the future. The purpose of an education is to educate. It killed me to find out that this was hardly the first priority. Somethings are done right, many more wrong, but the bottom line and priorities of the school I attended seemed off. (I was at McGill University by the way)

Re: MIT OpenCourseWare introduces courses designed for independent learners

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post #12

Great to see that MIT are addressing the most important problem with OCW: organizing the knowledge intelligibly. I'm currently having fun with their introduction to programming that uses Python: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-comput... . (Get the lectures on iTunes U.) Granted, I don't know if that's the best gateway drug to programming, but it has the irrefutable advantage of assignments that…

Also another good "beginner" (was already a programmer, and it was still a great course) course that actually has everything - lectures, notes, textbook, assignments, tests and answers! - available free online is the UC Berkley CS61A course. The course teaches the fundamentals of Computer Science with Scheme (Lisp) and the book is SICP (a really great all-around CS book). I watched all the lectures, and did most of t…

Great tip, thanks!

If you're like me, and sometimes prefer to have some visual with your audio, Berkley also provides webcasts of these lectures. Here, for example, is Spring '08 of CS61A:

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details.php?seriesid=1906...

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