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Just because a developer doesn't intentionally put in code to block racism doesn't mean the developer is biased.
Doesn't it? Neglect when you otherwise would take care is evidence of bias.
If "otherwise take care" means block every form of bad thing, they aren't otherwise taking care.
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>> “Garbage in, garbage out,” software engineers say. Likewise, racism in, racism out. Biased developers produce biased code. Every sentence individually is true. And Tay was a case of garbage in garbage out. But the Tay case didn't involve biased developers. The garbage in came from Twitter trolls, not from the code or developers.
Pretty sure the tay bot stuff was 4chan.
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And what is the real question? Say what you mean.
The real question is why are Asians over represented in this field despite the fact that Asians also experience systemic racism and come from various socioeconomic backgrounds? Look into NYC’s high school exam if you want to see the same problem in another light. Asians are over represented there as well and there’s a fight to make it capped per racial groups.
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The pipeline problem for blacks begins before the age of 4 when their IQs are measurably lower than whites and stay that way for life. This is well known and has been studied to death. Any talk about education or whatever at school age or above is ultimately futile because you can't improve IQ in a lasting way. Some researchers attribute it to cultural parenting techniques or the environment or other things. But, fun…
After some cursory research I've found the following two quotes. The first, from Wikiepdia, likely has other sources in the footnotes, but I didn't look. Honestly, I found it really hard to read your post and not view it as incredibly racist. The study found that "(a) putative genetic racial differences do not account for a major portion of the IQ performance difference between racial groups, and (b) black and interr…
But then there are further arguments and counterarguments; the "Interpretations" section is a full page. One coauthor says, "The results of the transracial adoption study can be used to support either a genetic difference hypothesis or an environmental difference one (because the children have visible African ancestry)." That's not true because "The adopting parents of 12 of the interracial children wrongly believed that their adopted children had two black parents", which at least gives you a comparison point for fully back vs. mixed, but that point is also disputable because "The study showed significant differences in adoption patterns of mixed-race black/white and black adopted children as was noted by Scarr and Weinberg" ("Children with two black parents were significantly older at adoption, had been in the adoptive home a shorter time, and had experienced a greater number of preadoption placements. The natural parents of the black/black group also averaged a year less of education than those of the black/white group...").
It would be nice if people identified the genes responsible for the main visible differences between races, verified that they only affected skin color and maybe a few other cosmetic traits, and were able to manipulate that directly to do controlled experiments. (And to confound actual racists by hiding someone's true race; having a lot of people with randomized racial appearance seems to be the most thorough way to train everyone to not make judgments based on apparent race.) Who knows when that'll happen, though.
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The insinuation that anyone who is skeptical of H1B is a xenophobe is insulting and lowers the level of the conversation. Criticisms of H1B are far older than Trump and the current political climate. If Trump does something right, it's still right, even though he's Donald Trump.
Every tech company I've ever had anything to do with (which includes IBM) has bent over backwards to hire minority engineers. This ridiculous narrative that the tech world is prejudiced against black people is ridiculous and unproductive. It needs to end. There, I said it.
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Racism isn't always obvious and can definitely be subtle. But actively discriminating against a whole group of people based on ethnicity is cut and dry racism. The grand parent said he was getting into "murky waters" but in fact he is fully submerged in the deep end of racism.
I think there's more informational value in hearing goog-anon's perspective than in condemning it.
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Any guesses on why Atlanta companies would rather hire African / Caribbean engineers than African American engineers?
I have only a wild guess. Only the most successful people from another country are offered the opportunity to come here. So the random native Nigerian who has moved to the US is probably a better candidate than your random native American of any race.
As an Immigrant to the US who could not make it big and had to go back(to India). It's not the most successful people, it's the most successful people in the prime of their health, career, academic and family situations. It's like everything that makes one fall in the top most cohort of people in history needs to happen to an individual. It's not just individual ability or hard work or talent. Everything from health and family situations to personal career situations just needs to work.
We are not just talking of the best people of the human race, we are also talking of the most luckiest.
US immigration is a combination of all those great Human enterprise things plus a very brutal lottery system. In short a very powerful filter that just picks the most successful people and makes them succeed further.
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The real question is why are Asians over represented in this field despite the fact that Asians also experience systemic racism and come from various socioeconomic backgrounds? Look into NYC’s high school exam if you want to see the same problem in another light. Asians are over represented there as well and there’s a fight to make it capped per racial groups.
Citation needed on the claim that Asians experience systemic racism in America.
There is only one other demographic group, other than ours, which doesn't experience systemic racism in America: white women. (For them, it's systemic sexism.)
Getting killed or physically assaulted without cause during routine traffic stops and misdemeanor arrests isn't the only kind of racism. (Although it is clearly worse than, say, being underrepresented at the top levels of management.)
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So if IBM didn't suffer or (publicly) disclose huge losses, it doesn't matter that someone scammed them into hiring unqualified engineers?
Why do you assume they were unqualified? We already know IBM failed to hire qualified black engineers because they were black. This may well have been cases of qualified people working around a corrupt system. The first black IBM engineer isn't going to want new black hires to be incompetent -- quite the opposite. He likely did his own screening.
Because the point of being given the answers is to meet qualifications that you don't actually possess.