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Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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> Recent studies conclude this is not a “pipeline” problem — qualified candidates can be found. Really wish they'd provided a link to the stud(y|ies). There certainly exist qualified people of all stripes, but are there enough to meet a population-level representative size?

The pipeline problem for blacks begins before the age of 4 when their IQs are measurably lower than whites and stay that way for life. This is well known and has been studied to death. Any talk about education or whatever at school age or above is ultimately futile because you can't improve IQ in a lasting way. Some researchers attribute it to cultural parenting techniques or the environment or other things. But, fundamentally, to get black engineers, you need to solve that pre-school disadvantage.

Maybe the best you could do is identify the gifted children and move them to a suitable environment. But not all of them - only those who actually have potential, otherwise the problems caused by their lower ability peers will continue to drag them down.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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I used to work at IBM and a new black engineer joined around the time I joined the team. We both got stuck with the grunt work and bonded over late night conference room video game projector sessions, while running regression tests. I’ve gone on to a relatively successful career outside of IBM, but he was hit in a layoff, with his job sent overseas. Instead of continuing in tech, he moved home, and joined his fathers…

Americans are hurt by abuse of the H1B system. Companies will always hire inexpensive labor that they have leverage over and H1B gives them just that. It's necessary to put strict quotas on H1B because otherwise it will be abused, which is bad for both American and foreign workers. Luckily the Trump administration is cracking down on H1B abuse.

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Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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By using racist hiring policies, OP is perpetuating the same "racist baggage" we have worked so hard to cast off.

When a bank teller hands me a bag of cash because I'm pointing a gun a them, it's robbery. When a police officer forces me to hand the bag of cash back to the cashier, it isn't robbery. Motives and circumstances matter. > America's "historical baggage"? As if every other nation on Earth doesn't have similar historical baggage. Other countries' transgressions don't absolve the US', in the same way that other people's…

I'm not saying the fact that human societies have historically been racist absolves the US, I'm saying it puts things in perspective (which you acknowledge is important).

In the world today the most racist nations are not the developed nations, but large parts of Southeast Asia, Africa and South America.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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> Microsoft released a chatbot named Tay, designed to learn from Twitter users. Within 24 hours, Tay claimed the Holocaust never happened, professed hatred for women and suggested that black people should be hanged. > “Garbage in, garbage out,” software engineers say. Likewise, racism in, racism out. Biased developers produce biased code. The author either made zero effort to understand how things work, or willingly…

Source?

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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post #107

I used to work at IBM and a new black engineer joined around the time I joined the team. We both got stuck with the grunt work and bonded over late night conference room video game projector sessions, while running regression tests. I’ve gone on to a relatively successful career outside of IBM, but he was hit in a layoff, with his job sent overseas. Instead of continuing in tech, he moved home, and joined his fathers…

Any guesses on why Atlanta companies would rather hire African / Caribbean engineers than African American engineers?

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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Black engineer here at a FANG. I do this all the time with black candidates who interview. In fact I use my round to coach them on the upcoming rounds and give them stellar feedback afterward. I know many would think this is ethically egregious, but it is only balancing the unbelievable prejudice against them by Asian interviewers who would not pass a black candidate under any circumstance.

Pretty common in this industry. I worked at a few major companies( check article below). Not only was racism widespread, you were looked badly at for not helping your race. https://www.forbes.com/sites/morgansimon/2019/01/28/what-mig... It's actually very complicated, because there were a lot of backroom deals between the two major races to make it not look like racism.

This was my impression of politics in Mississippi. There was just enough back and forth on racial tension issues to keep both sides donors going strong and the incumbents at the trough.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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post #80

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The real question is why are Asians over represented in this field despite the fact that Asians also experience systemic racism and come from various socioeconomic backgrounds? Look into NYC’s high school exam if you want to see the same problem in another light. Asians are over represented there as well and there’s a fight to make it capped per racial groups.

Citation needed on the claim that Asians experience systemic racism in America.

Here's one data point: although Asian Americans are not underrepresented in the workforce, they are underrepresented in management positions. https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely...

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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> He coached them on passing the exam and succeeding in their interviews. Many were subsequently hired. Yet the percentage of blacks and non-Asian minorities in high-tech professions consistently remains under 2%.

tl;dr:"My father helped hire a lot of people, yet somehow total demographics didn't change". Right, one person should have definitely solved the problem but incredibly it didn't. Brilliant logic.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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Is it fair to assume then that when you interview an Asian candidate, you will hold them to a much higher bar than black candidates? Or perhaps under no circumstances would you pass them for a role that another Black candidate is applying for? I'm Asian, worked at FANG, have never discriminated against someone based on their ethnicity and frankly find your actions shortsided and regressive. You're fighting perceived…

Honest question from a fellow Asian: what would you say about the level of racism against African Americans among Asians? For my part, I’ve had several unpleasant “oh, now that it’s just us Asians here let me tell you what I think” moments over the years.

Asians don’t really have that type of unity.

Maybe if it was, “Now that it’s just us Koreans, or Chinese, or Indians,” then maybe.

From my experience, Asian Americans are extremely progressive.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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I think he was saying it was unwise to tell anyone about it.

The specific thing I was thinking, was that the guys who got in after them probably had their own stories of being "the 2nd or 3rd black guy in an IBM office" - which I'd have thought would likewise be a source of pride to them and their families. Then this appears, which might indicate that they might (maybe didn't happen, maybe not to this candidate) have had the interview answers given to them. It potentially tain…

So, you read this article which talked about how Thomas Watson and IBM helped Nazis perpetrate genocide, and the 'taint' you're worried about is a few black people who might have been helped to get a job? You've got to be joking, right?
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