Announcing PoolParty, An Open Source tool for managing EC2 clusters

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Re: Announcing PoolParty, An Open Source tool for managing EC2 clusters

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Post by ezmobius » Thu, Jun 05, 2008, 11:14 PM UTC

SwellJoe wrote: post #8

toffer wrote: post #6

It's worth keeping an eye on this as well: "Vertebra: A Next Generation Cloud Computing/Automation Framework" http://brainspl.at/articles/2008/06/02/introducing-vertebra

There hasn't yet been a "first generation cloud computing automation framework", so it's kind of impossible to be building the "next generation". That first generation is pretty much what everybody in the field is working on (including my company). But Vertebra sounds like an interesting approach for the applications where it fits. And repurposing an existing protocol for RPC is always interesting, they've chosen the…

Actually Vertebra is not tied to Ruby on Rails at all. Since the main communication is all XMPP based, any language that can speak XMPP that implements our protocol can become part of the XMPP cloud. Our first implementation of the agent framework is written in Ruby but I expect many more languages to be supported.We will be releasing at least python and erlang based agents along with our ruby agents. We will be releasing the whole thing open source once we have locked down the protocol and made it a XEP standard, so keep an eye on my blog if you are interested.

Also Vertebra is not just for server automation, it is a framework for distributed computation of many kinds as well as a real time application platform.

The discovery mechanism and Resource based dispatch will allow for applications to get a request, discover via a Vertebra call which backend is least loaded and offers the request processing you need and then dispatching said request to the proper backend. Also allowing for map/reduce and scatter/gather style programming.

I have many ideas of where to take this thing and I cannot wait to get it out in the open so I can see what other folks do with it.

Re: Announcing PoolParty, An Open Source tool for managing EC2 clusters

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Post by SwellJoe » Fri, Jun 06, 2008, 1:20 AM UTC

ezmobius wrote: post #11

SwellJoe wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There hasn't yet been a "first generation cloud computing automation framework", so it's kind of impossible to be building the "next generation". That first generation is pretty much what everybody in the field is working on (including my company). But Vertebra sounds like an interesting approach for the applications where it fits. And repurposing an existing protocol for RPC is always interesting, they've chosen the…

Actually Vertebra is not tied to Ruby on Rails at all. Since the main communication is all XMPP based, any language that can speak XMPP that implements our protocol can become part of the XMPP cloud. Our first implementation of the agent framework is written in Ruby but I expect many more languages to be supported.We will be releasing at least python and erlang based agents along with our ruby agents. We will be rele…

"Actually Vertebra is not tied to Ruby on Rails at all."

Interesting. I just assumed because of the connection to Engine Yard, and you know what happens when one assumes.

"We will be releasing the whole thing open source once we have locked down the protocol and made it a XEP standard, so keep an eye on my blog if you are interested."

Will do. While we have our own implementation for solving quite a few of the common cloud infrastructure problems, we're also agnostic and configure dozens of other tools without feeling the least bit guilty about having multiple ways to do things (must be our Perlmonger background), and it sounds like you're addressing things that aren't in our current scope. (For example, we support Xen, VServers, Zones, and EC2, and S3 and ZFS...we're loco like that. We don't even care.)

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