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Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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Out of curiosity I just googled it, and yes, there is, and it's actually more serious than lack of diversity in adtech. If there aren't enough underrepresented minority applicants at Google, they will just have to hire an overrepresented minority to spy on you instead. But if the dental schools aren't producing enough minority dentists, those communities may not have access to quality dental care.

> But if the dental schools aren't producing enough minority dentists, those communities may not have access to quality dental care. Sorry, I must have missed the memo that citizens can only visit dentists of the same ethnicity.

Indeed - although the point may still be valid.

Once you're qualified, it's natural to go off and place yourself where you can make money.

As an anecdotal example, in my local practice, there are a lot of Eastern-European and now Greek dentists. They're excellent and came here to make more than they would at home (and prop up the NHS whilst they're at it) - I do have a concern that there's likely to be an impact on dental care in their country of origin though. I know precisely that has happened with nursing.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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> Microsoft released a chatbot named Tay, designed to learn from Twitter users. Within 24 hours, Tay claimed the Holocaust never happened, professed hatred for women and suggested that black people should be hanged.

> “Garbage in, garbage out,” software engineers say. Likewise, racism in, racism out. Biased developers produce biased code.

The author either made zero effort to understand how things work, or willingly chose to pass judgment on developers to drive his political point.

"Biased developers produce biased code" - absolute nonsense.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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I was happily nodding along, until I got to: "Somehow, he managed to obtain copies of the IBM entrance examination questions and answers, which he surreptitiously shared with promising young black job applicants. He coached them on passing the exam and succeeding in their interviews. Many were subsequently hired." I'm sure this helped contribute to an increase in black hires, but is a stupidly short-sighted thing to…

I'm not sure how it is any different than studying for whiteboard interviews. Especially in a time period when educational opportunities were not equal.

Obviously the amount of material is different, by a few of orders of magnitude. No one will be able to memorize all possible whiteboard questions.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity I just googled it, and yes, there is, and it's actually more serious than lack of diversity in adtech. If there aren't enough underrepresented minority applicants at Google, they will just have to hire an overrepresented minority to spy on you instead. But if the dental schools aren't producing enough minority dentists, those communities may not have access to quality dental care.

> But if the dental schools aren't producing enough minority dentists, those communities may not have access to quality dental care. Sorry, I must have missed the memo that citizens can only visit dentists of the same ethnicity.

You find it difficult to believe that white dentists generally serve the communities they live in, which, by income squared with demographic data, tend to be overwhelmingly white?

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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post #22

> Microsoft released a chatbot named Tay, designed to learn from Twitter users. Within 24 hours, Tay claimed the Holocaust never happened, professed hatred for women and suggested that black people should be hanged. > “Garbage in, garbage out,” software engineers say. Likewise, racism in, racism out. Biased developers produce biased code. The author either made zero effort to understand how things work, or willingly…

>> “Garbage in, garbage out,” software engineers say. Likewise, racism in, racism out. Biased developers produce biased code.

Every sentence individually is true. And Tay was a case of garbage in garbage out. But the Tay case didn't involve biased developers. The garbage in came from Twitter trolls, not from the code or developers.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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Here's hoping that HN can buck Law 619 of the Internet: the comment section of all articles which mention data that shows social, economic, or institutional disparities which negatively effect black people will largely be concerned not with the implications of that information, but with questioning the authenticity or reliability of that information; or else, simply with thinly-veiled racism.

I'll keep a running list of such comments until I get tired of it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21043809

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21042933

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21042076

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21043252

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21044206

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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> Microsoft released a chatbot named Tay, designed to learn from Twitter users. Within 24 hours, Tay claimed the Holocaust never happened, professed hatred for women and suggested that black people should be hanged. > “Garbage in, garbage out,” software engineers say. Likewise, racism in, racism out. Biased developers produce biased code. The author either made zero effort to understand how things work, or willingly…

>> “Garbage in, garbage out,” software engineers say. Likewise, racism in, racism out. Biased developers produce biased code. Every sentence individually is true. And Tay was a case of garbage in garbage out. But the Tay case didn't involve biased developers. The garbage in came from Twitter trolls, not from the code or developers.

Exactly. I found it very dishonest that the author is trying to imply that what happened to Tay was due to developers being biased.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> “Garbage in, garbage out,” software engineers say. Likewise, racism in, racism out. Biased developers produce biased code. Every sentence individually is true. And Tay was a case of garbage in garbage out. But the Tay case didn't involve biased developers. The garbage in came from Twitter trolls, not from the code or developers.

Exactly. I found it very dishonest that the author is trying to imply that what happened to Tay was due to developers being biased.

You don’t think developers can program defensively against their ML Twitter bot picking up racism?

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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Tangentially related to the article but I think my story is a good reality check for myself and others about racism. Now I am one of those individuals that ascribe every malty or advantage to racism but I absolutely agree that in form it still exists and sometimes those perpetuating it do not even know they are doing it. Anyways on to my story and on to one of the absolute best things that ever happened to me in my life.

About 15 years ago I was at a cross roads, I have had a great career as a good developer that has made a name for himself. I joined a startup, planned a strategy and we had a very successful exit. I went on to join one of our suppliers who was having serious technical challenges, as the CTO I righted the company (they where in no trouble but severely missing their mark as far as potential goes due to technical limitations). After fixing this orgs tech problems we where bought out by the largest global travel conglomerate.

After this, my name proceeded me in the Orlando technical market and it is here were we get to the meat of the story (TLDR start reading here). Anyways, we sold, and I was basically in a figure head position, no real responsibilities and no real future other than collecting a pay check for past efforts. It was not what I wanted to do so I started applying for positions. One such was with a 14 billion a year company that was very successful in their market, but had technical problems limiting their growth. I am being intentionally vague on the details of this company as I do not want to identify the CEO or the organization.

So I interview and I nail it, I interview with the white VP's, the white board of directors and the black CEO. I nailed it so hard that the board offers me the job and package before talking to the CEO. I mean on the spot in the interview, I am asked by the board what kind of package do we need to put together to get you on-board.

So we talk, we put together a package and I leave thinking I am starting a new gig. The hiring consultant (similar to a recruiter but works with execs) calls the next day to tell me congratulations. Only to call me the nest day to tell me there is a huge row between the board and the CEO and that I would be best to wait it out.

I find out that this row is due to the fact that the CEO and founder is adamant about hiring his friend who has been the CTO of a small college. In his role he has never managed custom software development (which they did a lot of) and was basically a glorified network administrator. This gentleman was black.

I was thus offered a consultancy gig by the board to bring this CTO up to speed. Which I naturally declined.

While most would think this is a story of sour grapes, it is one of the best events that has happened to me in my life. As a white man I have never experienced another individual preferred over me solely because that person identified with the other individual. Even if that persons qualifications are inferior to my own. It opened my eyes and I am grateful to that CEO for it.

I actually remained in contact with said CEO and we later became good friends. One night at dinner, I point blanked asked him about it and this is what he told me. He said Kenton, you have a name in this community with you sale of companies to HRN and to TUI, you have no problem opening doors, you where absolutely the best candidate that walked thru our door. That being said, had someone of my same race had not choose me over the more qualified candidate I would not be where I am today, He said you see we don't get the opportunities to advance like you naturally do and if we don't help each other get those opportunities they never manifest.

He told me he was the one that suggested the package of me coming in as a consultant to mentor the new CTO as he wanted to provide the same opportunity that he had been provided.

I was floored, and pretty much felt like a dickhead for asking the question. My only response was, had I known. To which he replied well I could not exactly level with you given the fact that we where not friends at the time.

I went on to mentor his CTO and they where hugely successful exiting to a fortune 5 company. In the end it was a happy ending, and I learned a few things about humanity and racism. It was one of the greatest learning experiences I have ever had.

Re: My father was IBM’s first black software engineer

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I was happily nodding along, until I got to: "Somehow, he managed to obtain copies of the IBM entrance examination questions and answers, which he surreptitiously shared with promising young black job applicants. He coached them on passing the exam and succeeding in their interviews. Many were subsequently hired." I'm sure this helped contribute to an increase in black hires, but is a stupidly short-sighted thing to…

I honestly don't know what to think of your comment. I will say though, that from a perspective, you are basically saying you read with interest until you found a reason the "stupidly short-sighted" black man shouldn't have been hired.

When compared to the reality that almost an entire race of people in North America were stolen from their homes and brought to a new land as slaves to benefit their white owners... any potential wrong you are focusing on here is only visible with a microscope.

Your bad behavior doesn't need intent. You didn't need to intend to be a racist when you put him under a microscope like that -- but that doesn't mean you weren't racist when you decided it was important enough to write about. Especially considering the exact behavior is frequent among all races.

And it's the top comment at HN. I can't help but think this says something important about what is really going on.

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