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Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

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Re: Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

#41

Surprised it took this long!

Ponzi scheme Hail Mary. Edit: This isn’t meant to be flippant. There is literally no value in this company and its current owners are trying to dump it on a greater fool.

Unless they're leasing out space at a loss, they should be able to turn a profit by reining in costs and slowing growth. Some of its harshest critics said it needs to be valued more like Regus and not like a tech company.

Re: Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

#42
Leaving aside all of the headline-making entertainment of Adam Neumann being Adam, the real problem here is that WeWork really doesn't have much in the way of enduring network-effect advantages -- even though it tried so hard to convince investors otherwise.

In many tech-fueled marketplaces, getting big in a hurry is a practically unbeatable advantage. I saw this 20 years ago when I was tracking eBay. No end of little players would approach me and say: "I've designed a better marketplace than eBay. If I just had 1 million users, you'd see how good it is."

But it was too late, and there was no way for them to go from 10 users, to 10,000, to anything bigger. Loyalties on both sides of the market were already sewn up. Both buyers and sellers wanted a deep, super-smooth market where they could transact 10-50 times a month without ever being frustrated by a lack of market depth. When people need a viable market many times a week, switching costs become unfathomably high. eBay owned that concept for as long as it would work. It's been basically the same story for Uber, Lyft, Twitter, etc.

But this is not true the one-time need of renting this season's splashy workspace with free kombucha. Tenants pick their spot and then stay for 3 months, 11 months, three years or whatever. There's a little bit of shuffling around and re-transacting, but not nearly as much.

Besides, if the WeWork concept is that good, it's easy to copy and does not need giant scale to work. That's totally different from trying to build the third ride-hailing service. In this case, someone who owns three office buildings in Chicago's West Loop can convert them to a WeWork clone and rent them just fine to people who want to be in that neighborhood. The fact that this new outfit (WeLoop) does not have a London outpost or a list of 75,000 other tenants in other states is irrelevant. Buyers show up for one transaction (get me a groovy office space in my neighborhood) and then they are done. That is already beginning to happen, in fact.

Yeah, WeWork has a greater ability to serve large corporations that want an ever-changing blend of space in a lot of cities. But that's not its core market. And even if it is, WeWork isn't automatically better off than existing REITs that can tweak their multi-city properties as needed.

So it's brave of Team Adam to go into a lot of cities all at once and tell people that this year's losses will soon give way to profits once the buildings fill up. But that doesn't seem to be happening on schedule. And even if WeWork eventually gets to breakeven, that just entitles it to compete against a lot of established players who already own better buildings in better locations -- and who can clone whatever elements of WeWork design seem appealing to customers.

Getting access to capital on super-friendly terms gave WeWork the ability to build fast, almost regardless of what the short-term economics might be. But now access to capital is getting quite a bit harder.

And that can feed on itself in scary ways. Once capital gets scarce, a lot of expansion plans get much harder to carry out. Now growth slows. And that makes investors more jittery. Borrowing rates go up; loan covenants get tighter, and equity dilution gets more severe. Growth shrinks further. Money gets tighter.

In such situations, it takes a skilled pilot to land the plane safely, let alone regain altitude.

Re: Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

#43
post #26

Didn't investors, especially SoftBank, enable this behavior? They deserve as much blame for this mess as he does, if not more.

Probably. It would be funny if this blew up in SoftBank's face. I think it will make even Theranos sound more sensible. Sure, the product exists and it's good but the "business plan" and its assumptions and business structure don't make much sense. Though I don't know how long they will survive without any more cash injections in the short term due to all their rental liabilities.

Nah, this isn't like Theranos.

In reality, it is a very good product with slim margins. The reason it is losing so much money is because it is expanding quickly to show that it is a "high growth" Unicorn company.

It isn't that it's a scam, it just puts it is a non-tech/non-SaaS category. Every founder/CEO wants to tell a huge growth story. If private investors are buying that then it's just that they miscalculated, but not defrauded.

Re: Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably. It would be funny if this blew up in SoftBank's face. I think it will make even Theranos sound more sensible. Sure, the product exists and it's good but the "business plan" and its assumptions and business structure don't make much sense. Though I don't know how long they will survive without any more cash injections in the short term due to all their rental liabilities.

Nah, this isn't like Theranos. In reality, it is a very good product with slim margins. The reason it is losing so much money is because it is expanding quickly to show that it is a "high growth" Unicorn company. It isn't that it's a scam, it just puts it is a non-tech/non-SaaS category. Every founder/CEO wants to tell a huge growth story. If private investors are buying that then it's just that they miscalculated, b…

Slim margins means it isn't a great product, at least by standard business definitions.

A product with slim margins is one that you divest from so you can focus on the products with good margins.

Re: Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, this isn't like Theranos. In reality, it is a very good product with slim margins. The reason it is losing so much money is because it is expanding quickly to show that it is a "high growth" Unicorn company. It isn't that it's a scam, it just puts it is a non-tech/non-SaaS category. Every founder/CEO wants to tell a huge growth story. If private investors are buying that then it's just that they miscalculated, b…

Slim margins means it isn't a great product, at least by standard business definitions. A product with slim margins is one that you divest from so you can focus on the products with good margins.

I was referring to the quality of the product from the customer POV.

Re: Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't understand is what is so mind boggling to GP? This is the norm for the vast majority of private companies.

I think if you are including coffee shops, dry cleaners, and the rest of small businesses that are self-funded, I agree. If you look at VC backed high tech startups, I don't think that is the norm: https://www.capshare.com/blog/4-key-insights-from-5000-cap-t...

> high tech

WeWork?

Re: Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

#49
post #19

Considering he has the votes to fire the entire board, I'd be shocked if this happens. Softbank is completely fucked.

Adam has the votes, but not the cash. Softbank has the cash, but not the votes. Arrangements can be made.

Ironically, that's a problem for Adam precisely because We is not Theranos. Holmes had the votes and the cash, which hadn't been spent yet since Theranos wasn't a real business, and she could (and did) just coast for years on what was already in the bank without any need to go to any investors or banks or third parties (who would of course have demanded her ouster as step 1). But since We is a real business with real users and a successful one, We can't just coast on its cash (even if it stopped expansion).

Re: Some WeWork Board Members Seek to Remove Adam Neumann as CEO

#50
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slim margins means it isn't a great product, at least by standard business definitions. A product with slim margins is one that you divest from so you can focus on the products with good margins.

I was referring to the quality of the product from the customer POV.

They rent office space.
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