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Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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How many guesses am I allowed before it's a crime?

ZERO. The world is not a video game. The difficulty required to break into someone's email account has absolutely nothing to do with the legal implications of doing so. It is very possible that you could be convicted of a felony for reading mails on a passwordless email account. Stay the hell out of other people's email accounts. Jiminy.

Exactly. (I hope you understood I was using irony.)

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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Instead of the blather at this blog, read the original news report here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12176463 The judge didn't "recommend" that he serve it in a half-way house; he just said that 'even a half-way house would be sufficient punishment' . That doesn't mean he said "it must be in a half-way house". Also: he's been sent to a low-security prison, and not a Super-Max.

Another story on the matter:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/jan/13/convicted-p...

If he shows good conduct, they might release him as soon as November 23rd as confirmed by his entry in the The Federal Bureau of Prisons website:

(It was a very long search URL so I shortened it) Inmate Locator - Locate Federal inmates from 1982 to present http://tinyurl.com/6cv8r93

For those interested, here is the location he will be serving time at:

http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/ash/index.jsp

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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Just be be sure we're clear on the "crime", it was that he guessed Palin's yahoo mail security question "Where did you meet your spouse?" to which the answer was "Wasilla High". source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/palin-e-mail-ha/ He didn't even have to guess or crack a password. This is really a major security flaw on yahoo's part, which still exists. The fix in the meantime is to avoid accounts with su…

> Easily guessable security questions like mother's maiden name as used by banks should not be considered legitimate protection any more than using a bag twisty to hold a gate closed should be considered the same as a chain and padlock.

Related: http://i.imgur.com/rGtgr.jpg

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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post #3

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The burden of being sentenced to a prison significantly far away from your current home and family is a terrible burden, regardless of security level. The justice system understands the punitive damage of this sort of measure, and surely took this into account in sentencing.

The facts of the case are (almost) undisputed. What the guy did implicated him for several felonies. He had exceedingly good legal representation --- just read any of the court record to see that. His team managed to deadlock the jury on the most serious charge he faced. The one felony he got dinged with resulted from his destruction of evidence. And all this after (quick reminder) the guy broke into the still-active…

There's so such thing as being "dinged" with a felony. He will wear that albatross around his neck for the rest of his life.

It's not an "injustice of a cosmic scale" so it may not rise to your threshold of caring, but he's still a young man going to prison for what is essentially a prank. Have a little compassion.

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The burden of being sentenced to a prison significantly far away from your current home and family is a terrible burden, regardless of security level. The justice system understands the punitive damage of this sort of measure, and surely took this into account in sentencing.

The facts of the case are (almost) undisputed. What the guy did implicated him for several felonies. He had exceedingly good legal representation --- just read any of the court record to see that. His team managed to deadlock the jury on the most serious charge he faced. The one felony he got dinged with resulted from his destruction of evidence. And all this after (quick reminder) the guy broke into the still-active…

Did I say anything about injustice? Sympathy is a commodity regularly dispensed to those in the wrong. The point of my comment is to explain that a low-security prison is one thing. One far away from anyone who cares about you is an added punishment. I'm not saying it's unjust, only a considerable part of the punishment worth consideration, on a human--not cosmic--scale.

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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Just be be sure we're clear on the "crime", it was that he guessed Palin's yahoo mail security question "Where did you meet your spouse?" to which the answer was "Wasilla High". source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/palin-e-mail-ha/ He didn't even have to guess or crack a password. This is really a major security flaw on yahoo's part, which still exists. The fix in the meantime is to avoid accounts with su…

Using a bag twisty to hold a gate is considered _exactly_ the same as a chain and a padlock for the purposes of trespassing.

If it's clear to you that you aren't to enter my property, you don't enter my property and it doesn't matter how difficult I make it for you to do what you already know is wrong.

The issue here is the severity of the sentence, not his guilt, and especially not blaming the victim.

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The burden of being sentenced to a prison significantly far away from your current home and family is a terrible burden, regardless of security level. The justice system understands the punitive damage of this sort of measure, and surely took this into account in sentencing.

The facts of the case are (almost) undisputed. What the guy did implicated him for several felonies. He had exceedingly good legal representation --- just read any of the court record to see that. His team managed to deadlock the jury on the most serious charge he faced. The one felony he got dinged with resulted from his destruction of evidence. And all this after (quick reminder) the guy broke into the still-active…

Maybe the bigger question is, is this a proportional response for his crime?

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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post #4

Just be be sure we're clear on the "crime", it was that he guessed Palin's yahoo mail security question "Where did you meet your spouse?" to which the answer was "Wasilla High". source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/palin-e-mail-ha/ He didn't even have to guess or crack a password. This is really a major security flaw on yahoo's part, which still exists. The fix in the meantime is to avoid accounts with su…

Just be be sure we're clear on the "crime", it was that he guessed Palin's yahoo mail security question

No actually the "crime" was "anticipatory obstruction of justice" for destroying evidence in a federal investigation. Actually accessing the account was a misdemeanor.

Look I think this is a stupid kid who doesn't deserve a year a in jail. But you don't get to trivialize a crime because it was "easy". Just because my neighbors door was unlocked and I "just walked in" doesn't give me the right to do so.

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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post #2

Instead of the blather at this blog, read the original news report here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12176463 The judge didn't "recommend" that he serve it in a half-way house; he just said that 'even a half-way house would be sufficient punishment' . That doesn't mean he said "it must be in a half-way house". Also: he's been sent to a low-security prison, and not a Super-Max.

The burden of being sentenced to a prison significantly far away from your current home and family is a terrible burden, regardless of security level. The justice system understands the punitive damage of this sort of measure, and surely took this into account in sentencing.

Ashland is about a four-hour drive from Knoxville, and federal prisons don't exactly dot the landscape like mushrooms. Feel free to look it up, but I suspect it's the closest appropriate facility to his home.

Re: Sarah Palin’s email hacker is imprisoned, against judge’s recommendation

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The facts of the case are (almost) undisputed. What the guy did implicated him for several felonies. He had exceedingly good legal representation --- just read any of the court record to see that. His team managed to deadlock the jury on the most serious charge he faced. The one felony he got dinged with resulted from his destruction of evidence. And all this after (quick reminder) the guy broke into the still-active…

There's so such thing as being "dinged" with a felony. He will wear that albatross around his neck for the rest of his life. It's not an "injustice of a cosmic scale" so it may not rise to your threshold of caring, but he's still a young man going to prison for what is essentially a prank. Have a little compassion.

This isn't a prank. This is an attempt to influence the election of the most important position in the land using felonious means. He's lucky he's only getting what he's getting, what he did is far more serious.

It is blindingly obvious that most expressions of sympathy here are because people approve of the target of the felonious actions. Had he hacked Biden's email the press would have called for his head and wrung their hands so hard about the evils of people who oppose Obama/Biden that they might have fallen off due to lack of blood flow.

But creating an environment where it's OK or acceptable to do this sort of this thing to "acceptable targets" is creating an environment where one day, you'll be an "acceptable target". Take a stand. Attempting to influence elections like this is wrong and can't be tolerated, in addition to the fact that hacking emails is wrong and can't be tolerated. Being sympathetic because you like the target is embracing the rule of men, not the rule of law.

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