Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

Post by belltaco » Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:14 AM UTC

asabjorn wrote: post #134

youeseh wrote: post #131

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Like gun ownership and free speech, you have the right to vote in America. So, if the government wanted to make it harder for the bad guys to own a gun... why should the good guys have to suffer for it? Similarly, just because the government wants to prevent bad guys from voting, then why should the good guys have to suffer the consequences?

96% of Americans have a cellphone and that require an ID: https://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheet/mobile/ Also, good guys have IDs to do one of the many things I listed that require IDs including poor people that need an ID for food stamps or medicare or social security. It is actually quite hard to buy a gun as this journalist that thought it was easy found out when trying to buy one: https://www.businessinsider.com/…

Post by masonic » Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 7:02 AM UTC

pandaman wrote: post #160

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What are better suggestions to prevent voter fraud? We know from history that voting fraud is a thing, in the 1800s it was known that political parties would pay fresh immigrants to vote (like the scene in Upton Sinclaire's "The Jungle"), or to even kidnap people and force them into voting [1]. So we can't rely on good faith. I'm under the impression that to vote you must register in a voting district, surely that re…

>I'm under the impression that to vote you must register in a voting district, surely that registration requires something like a birth certificate or a SSN In California, at least, you can just use your state ID number and last four digits of your SSN [1]. California gives IDs to illegal aliens and SSNs are available to many non-citizens. These might have been checked for citizenship or might not. I suspect that the…

Post by viraptor » Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 7:53 AM UTC

spaginal wrote: post #159

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There is a ton of literature on this. Many elected state and local governments, especially in the South, work actively against the voting interests of large swaths of their populations. Whether through gerrymandering, or processes that improperly remove registrations, or that remove polling places, or that place improper obstacles like fees or clean civic record requirements in the ways of voters, or any of literally…

The basic argument is that requiring an ID to vote is racially motivated as a tool of suppression and an avenue by which to violate basic civil rights. If this the case, then is requiring a government issued ID to travel, either by auto or air, put in place to prevent minorities from freely traveling around the United States? Are government mandated requirements to produce an ID when purchasing a firearm an effort to…

Post by comex » Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 8:11 AM UTC

kayaeb wrote: post #42

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It is a numbers game (no puns intended). Let's say we have 100k people that live in a few poor counties where not everyone has government ID and they can't afford to spend time / money to go very far. Now, if 40k of those people need an ID to vote, reducing the hours that the nearest DMV operates will reduce the number of people that get an ID. Now, you might say, "but why can't they just go to the DMV in the next co…

What are better suggestions to prevent voter fraud? We know from history that voting fraud is a thing, in the 1800s it was known that political parties would pay fresh immigrants to vote (like the scene in Upton Sinclaire's "The Jungle"), or to even kidnap people and force them into voting [1]. So we can't rely on good faith. I'm under the impression that to vote you must register in a voting district, surely that re…

Post by gremlinsinc » Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 8:28 AM UTC