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America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by BurningFrog »

CydeWeys wrote: post #146
shadowprofile77 wrote: post #76

Presumably I'll get downvoted for this but here it goes.. I know that news sites like to link anything they can to climate change in the global human-caused sense because it might create more clicks but how is this a "climate exodus" in that sense? It's more a case of people having built homes in a very flat, easily flooded place that has always been really, really shitty for living due to the dangers of extremely ba…

The obvious connection to the climate crisis is that global warming is causing ice to melt and thus sea levels to rise. Rising seas are catastrophic for buildings and infrastructure in low-lying coastal areas, which because of its geography Florida has more of than anywhere else in the US. The world is on the way to becoming uninhabitable for modern human civilization, and we're the cause. It happens that the majorit…

I looked it up, and current sea level rise is around 3mm/year, which adds up to a foot per century.

More than I thought, but hardly a non outrunnable flood.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

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Post by geomark »

selectodude wrote: post #129
DoreenMichele wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that falls under personal preference. I was born and raised in Georgia. I'm abundantly familiar with what goes on there, weather-wise. Near daily thunderstorms in the summer. Electrical storms that can kill electronics, appliances or even people. If it snows at all, businesses shut down, schools shut down, car wrecks go up, etc. If it gets too cold, they sometimes shut down schools and businesses. When I was…

Sounds like Chicago is about as close to safe as it gets anywhere on earth.

You are joking, of course. A safe place would not have subzero temperatures during cold season. The world is full of much safer places where there are no weather extremes, earthquakes, or other natural disasters. Of course, you must also consider manmade disasters like overreaching government, civil unrest, and if there are oil reserves you risk invasion by other countries to liberate the population.

Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

watertom wrote: post #26

Why is the government buying these people out? The homeowners weren't forced to purchase these properties, so it's not the government's responsibility to remediate the situation.

Government is buying her out because government is the cause of her problem.

Buried all the way at the bottom of the article is this little gem:

> Her insurance payout of about $100,000 would cover repairs to the 640-square-foot house. But the county requires that when more than 50% of a home is damaged, that it be completely rebuilt to meet modern storm-resiliency codes and — in her flood zone — on stilts. That would cost at least $200,000, money she doesn’t have.

So, effectively, she can rebuild her home in a way that would (presumptively) make her happy but government legislation forces her to spend double the money to rebuild it in way she probably isn't a fan of. Simple solution is to limit the ability of local building codes to force people to completely demolish/rebuild in situations like these. She had a non-elevated non-flood-proof home before, she should be able to keep her home the way she likes it at a cost she can afford, assuming the people financially invested (mortgage company, insurance company) agree, why shouldn't she be allowed?

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Post by kls »

kls wrote: post #110
hammock wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>My original family homestead is still standing and was built in the 1700's, it has seen many storms some worse that Irma and Dorean. That is so epic dude. Can you tell me more about it? Where is it, what kind of place is it? How much is original?

Sure it is in Yankeetown on the gulf coast of Florida, Paramount shot Follow That Dream staring Elvis on our property. We have a plaque from paramount with pictures of Elvis and the rest of the cast thanking my family for the use of the homestead. These pictures have never been released to the public. In one of the pictures there is a blond boy standing on the porch and Elvis is sitting on the porch swing. That boy w…

Was trying to find some online pictures of the homestead, this was the only one I could find, this would be the view from the front porch, although it is different today, the gate no longer exists and the peninsula out in the distance is shorter due to dredging:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/421860690078118339/

Have not found any of the house yet, I will keep looking. I know there are some on Facebook posted by the family (they just had a family work weekend) but I don't do Facebook.

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Post by 1123581321 »

nl wrote: post #140
kls wrote: post #119

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Because, I have for the past 44 years been in a hurricanes path on a pretty regular interval. It has not changes with the exception of a single year where I got hit by 4 of them. After that for the past 14 years it has returned to that interval where about once ever 8 years I either get winged or direct hit by a hurricane. Unfortunately the last one was a major hurricane. It's been 2 years so in about 6 I will get wi…

You realize you are suffering from the human "ability" to make patterns from things that aren't with this theory, right?

Everyone in this discussion is vulnerable to that, including me. It’s better to just disagree based on cited weather data.

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Post by kls »

electic wrote: post #18
Simulacra wrote: post #10

I don't think this article presents enough evidence that climate change, or climate in general, is affecting a person's desire to move to a new area. Florida has always had hurricanes, and it will continue to have hurricanes. Our response should not be to say the climate has changed so much its forcing us to leave, but rather what can we do to adapt to the new climate forces?

The issue isn't the hurricanes or the strength that is associated with them, it is the water content. In the past, hurricanes main threat was the wind. With wind, you can mitigate that with stronger building techniques and since the flooding was minimal, it was easy to recover from. The new issue with these hurricanes is that they are bringing significantly more water with them because of global warming. The net resu…

The deadliest part of a hurricane (really only major ones) is the surge, you survive that you are pretty much good.

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Post by kls »

lulu59 wrote: post #167

Great news Mr Bloomberg, about time some of these bozos left the islands, maybe we can finally enjoy the place without being flooded by tourists. We used to have September to ourselves now not even that is quiet. The Florida Keys are being purchased by conglomerates and wealthy people like never before in history. Housing is blooming, and tourism is also. The exodus is happening, but that is New York City. They are a…

LOL I absolutely know you are from the islands! What key are you on. This September has been busy, if it had not been for Doreen threatening us, I don't thing it would have slowed down at all. All my favorite restaurants closed shop for the month though.

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Post by kls »

qqqwerty wrote: post #60
mmaunder wrote: post #54

A little late if hurricanes are your benchmark for climate change. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane What's sad is that most reporters know that climate change is measured in decade long trends. Small yearly increases in sea level, gradual increases in global temps and slow changes in atmospheric composition. But that doesn't get clicks. Associating climate change with outlying catastrophic eve…

I am completely fine with it. We need to convince low information voters that climate change is a serious issue, and the opposition likes to point at snow storms and bring snowballs to congress as proof that climate change is a hoax.

People are smarter than you think, the CRU was fine with it too and it set environmental research back years if not decades. It's called political activism when scientist wade into policy and people smell it from a mile away.

You can thank the CRU and all the other alarmist for implementing exactly what you propose and it's is absolutely the reason the populous does not buy it. Never assume people are idiots, it is a fatal mistake.

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Post by kls »

throwaway40324 wrote: post #131
kls wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it is in Yankeetown on the gulf coast of Florida, Paramount shot Follow That Dream staring Elvis on our property. We have a plaque from paramount with pictures of Elvis and the rest of the cast thanking my family for the use of the homestead. These pictures have never been released to the public. In one of the pictures there is a blond boy standing on the porch and Elvis is sitting on the porch swing. That boy w…

Because I have a vested interest in this type of divulge of information, I have to say that this is one of the most fascinating HN comments I've ever read! I have a scrapbook of of unpublished Elvis Polaroids that was found hidden in a cut area of fabric in the trunk of a car! And theres palm trees present! I'm floored by your comment!

Elvis spent a lot of time in Florida and owned several homes in various regions of Florida. He has said that it was his adoptive home state and that he loved spending time here. The thing to remember is the Florida that he knew was nothing like the Florida of today, it was literally a frontier. I was fortunate to grow up on the tail end of that frontier era as the 80's saw a massive land boom in Florida and by the 90's much of the old Florida was gone. There are still vestiges of it in North Florida, in the Gulf Hammock and down here in the Keys but it's nothing like it used to be.
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