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America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by kls »

yardie wrote: post #138
kls wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So has acid rain an the Ozone layer depletion. None of them killed me even though everyone in those days used the same vague scare tactics at one point I literally had months to live in the 1970;s due to acid rain. Pesticides and fertilizer in the sea is going to, in at least my children's lifetime. I am literately watching the ocean die every day and it is due to what we are pumping into the ocean.

The depletion if the ozone layer was a real threat in my lifetime. It’s only through concerted global action that we were able to not only stop but reverse the depletion. AGW is different in that even though the science agreed we still have politicians who are convinced it’s not a big deal.

just wanted to make sure that I noted that I was not implying that they where not, both acid rain and ozone depletion where real issues, they where also issues that where overblown in their day. My intent was to highlight that AGW is just as overblown and exploited as they where in their day. Attributing Hurricane cycles to AGW is nonsense. Anyone that has lived in a hurricane prone area for more than 2 decades knows we are heading into another active cycle.

I mean it's an absolutely known thing:

http://www.davidmcminn.com/p2/956hurricanes.htm

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/1520-0442%2819...

and it was well known by the old timers before anyone put any science behind it. And is pretty much tribal knowledge to anyone that is a long time Florida resident.

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Post by mrosett »

Waterluvian wrote: post #160
paul_f wrote: post #145

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Homes on stilts are designed to survive major storm. Cat 1 and 2 hurricanes. What is a 1 year rebuild? Are you saying a major hurricane will make landfall everywhere, every year? Because that's what you are implying.

I wouldn't fixate on the numbers. The point of the anecdote is that because climate change means more storms more often, the cut-off point for habitability gets shifted.

It hasn't been established that climate change means more storms more often though.

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Post by justsubmit »

mrfusion wrote: post #133

Disclaimer. I have unwavering faith in climate change. But I do wonder why are banks writing mortgages on houses in these kind of areas? Shouldn’t they be more worried about losing their investment over 30 years?

> I have unwavering faith in climate change.

That sounds like a religious statement, not a scientific one.

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Post by sumedh »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #53
ryansmccoy wrote: post #39

Why do people buy beach front houses when they know they'll be under water in just a few years? Doesn't make sense to me.

Barrack Obama just bought a multi-million dollar beachfront home. If any major public figure has the most accurate info about pending sea level rise, even classified level information that might not be released to the public, surely it's him.

Is the home literally on the beach, if not it should be safe even if the water rises a bit.

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Post by justsubmit »

qqqwerty wrote: post #144
mmaunder wrote: post #125

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Lie because the other side is lying. The bigger bolder lie wins. The truth is considered weak medicine. This is how we got here. It's a disaster.

Reminding folks that climate change will result in more frequent and extreme weather events after/during extreme weather events is not lying. If folks mis-interpret that to mean that the weather event in question was due to climate change, then that is their own fault.

> Reminding folks that climate change will result in more frequent and extreme weather events after/during extreme weather events is not lying.

1. That claim certainly isn't science, because it's neither reproducible nor falsifiable.

2. If it's not science, what is it?

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Post by justsubmit »

solidangle wrote: post #64
qqqwerty wrote: post #60

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I am completely fine with it. We need to convince low information voters that climate change is a serious issue, and the opposition likes to point at snow storms and bring snowballs to congress as proof that climate change is a hoax.

At some point they will figure out that we're lying, and then they will elect another Trump.

They already know.

The question now is, when will "you" (i.e. not you personally) figure out that you're lying to yourself about your lying? Stephen Schneider advocated lying to the public in 1996:

On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but — which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This ‘double ethical bind’ we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.

--Stephen Schneider in APS News, Aug/Sep 1996, p. 5.

How much longer will "you" keep lying?

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Post by lulu59 »

Great news Mr Bloomberg, about time some of these bozos left the islands, maybe we can finally enjoy the place without being flooded by tourists. We used to have September to ourselves now not even that is quiet. The Florida Keys are being purchased by conglomerates and wealthy people like never before in history. Housing is blooming, and tourism is also. The exodus is happening, but that is New York City. They are all moving down to Miami and the Keys. You want to play alarmist? Then include Miami sir, because ALL OF FLORIDA will be affected by weather changes and patterns, like LA, like the coastal Carolinas in about 100 years or so. Until then I doubt Amazon would HQ in S FL if there was fear of submersion. Until the great flood will happen, get the heck out of our islands!

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Post by kls »

hammock wrote: post #92
kls wrote: post #88

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See my post below, Bahamas is no different, most of those houses that where destroyed where built pre-codes. I have a lot of family in the Bahamas, there houses are all on stilts and cat 5 rated. All of their houses survived. Hurricanes are nothing new, we have endured them all of our lives, they are not getting worse or more frequent. My family has been in Florida and the Bahamas for 14 generations along the way it…

>My original family homestead is still standing and was built in the 1700's, it has seen many storms some worse that Irma and Dorean. That is so epic dude. Can you tell me more about it? Where is it, what kind of place is it? How much is original?

Sorry forgot to answer your other questions, the style of house is called a Florida cracker shack, that being said it predates traditional cracker architecture and has some pioneer log cabin architectural features. I guess you could say it was proto-cracker architecture as most of the cracker architecture was late 1700 early 1800's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker_architecture

Most of it is original, the wood stove is still in the house but used as a fireplace and was replaced by a gas stove. My uncle added AC back in the 80's. The only addition that I know of, was the addition of a real bathroom back in the 60's before that there was a outhouse located about 20 yards behind the back door. It's claim to fame is that both Elvis and Woodrow Wilson had both sat on it, it is dilapidated but still stands and yes I did sit on it as a child just to say I did.

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