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America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by chiefalchemist »

dexterdog wrote: post #86
chiefalchemist wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not even that. It's votes and party donations. I'm in NJ. A few years back we had hurricane / super-storm Sandy. Not only did the GOP gov at the time ( Chris Christie) find the money to rebuild. The state actually ran adverts with the tag line "Stronger than the storm." It made no sense to me. The people living at the shore (as we call it in NJ) aren't in denial. They don't even see it.

If you think people were just bailed out you're crazy. I have a neighbor whose multi million dollar beach house was completely destroyed. He got little to no help for his property. Sure, the infra was probably all govt money, but aside from some minimal insurance he was his own insurer.

Um. I said nothing about that. My point was, the gov pushed to rebuild - because it's good for votes / donations. And they even put a spin on it. There was zero discussion about perhaps not rebuilding. There should have been. It was obvious there should have been.

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Post by cheez »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #113
watertom wrote: post #26

Why is the government buying these people out? The homeowners weren't forced to purchase these properties, so it's not the government's responsibility to remediate the situation.

That isn't why the government intercedes in stuff like this. It intercedes because if it says "Welp. Not My Problem." and these folks say "Fuck it. Not Mine Either." and just walk away from their properties, declare bankruptcy, whatever, and become basically refugees within their own country, you have worse problems. My sister had a break-in at her home one year. She told me something like "Well, the benefits for Kat…

The more I read anecdotes like these, the more I think Andrew Yang's freedom dividend is the way to go.

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Post by cure »

refurb wrote: post #73
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rich people own beach property. This is a government for the rich.

That explains why more than half of the US federal budget pays for low income social programs. Because it’s a govt for the rich.

Citation needed, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget does not agree with this statement.

I'm assuming you are conveniently forgetting that the 'Social security', 'Medicare' and 'Other spending' slices of mandatory spending go to rich and poor: these programs pay out their benefits to all people regardless of how wealthy they are.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

rjbwork wrote: post #118
DoreenMichele wrote: post #103

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It's being linked to climate change because small, low-lying islands are seeing serious losses of land mass. From the article: Fifteen years after Hurricane Katrina, Louisiana is trying to relocate the Native American settlement of about 100 people on the Isle de Jean Charles, a narrow island that lost 98% of its land over the past six decades to climate change. My best understanding is that this is, in fact, a new p…

Yes, but some places are far worse than others. Down here in Atlanta we get some pretty bad thunder storms (and accompanying low lying land floods), and rare but not unheard of hail. We're pretty far from any real faults, though we have gotten tiny tremors from east Tennessee and north/south Georgia before, they're at most 4-5, with everything in Georgia around a 3. We're far enough away from, and high enough above t…

I think that falls under personal preference.

I was born and raised in Georgia. I'm abundantly familiar with what goes on there, weather-wise.

Near daily thunderstorms in the summer.

Electrical storms that can kill electronics, appliances or even people.

If it snows at all, businesses shut down, schools shut down, car wrecks go up, etc.

If it gets too cold, they sometimes shut down schools and businesses.

When I was eight years old and we had something like a foot of snow, roofs were collapsing, they were sending a van around to pick up nurses so the hospitals would be staffed and my sister and father walked like five miles in the snow to get to a store to get supplies we needed because no municipality in the state has any equipment for doing snow clearance and all the roads were closed.

Snow is not some kind of natural disaster in places that routinely get snow. But it is a real and serious problem in Georgia simply because it happens so rarely that it doesn't make any real sense to acquire snow plows and the like. They would rust and rot in place and be unusable on the rare occasion that it does snow enough to see an accumulation on the ground. Most of the time, you wait a day or so, things warm up, it melts, schools and businesses re-open.

But, meanwhile, people die in car wrecks.

https://www.vox.com/2016/1/27/10840810/snow-car-crash-map

Atlanta sometimes has serious flooding.

https://www.11alive.com/article/weather/10-year-anniversary-...

Etc.

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Post by mmaunder »

qqqwerty wrote: post #60
mmaunder wrote: post #54

A little late if hurricanes are your benchmark for climate change. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane What's sad is that most reporters know that climate change is measured in decade long trends. Small yearly increases in sea level, gradual increases in global temps and slow changes in atmospheric composition. But that doesn't get clicks. Associating climate change with outlying catastrophic eve…

I am completely fine with it. We need to convince low information voters that climate change is a serious issue, and the opposition likes to point at snow storms and bring snowballs to congress as proof that climate change is a hoax.

Lie because the other side is lying. The bigger bolder lie wins. The truth is considered weak medicine. This is how we got here. It's a disaster.

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Post by neals »

propogandist wrote: post #20
electic wrote: post #18

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The issue isn't the hurricanes or the strength that is associated with them, it is the water content. In the past, hurricanes main threat was the wind. With wind, you can mitigate that with stronger building techniques and since the flooding was minimal, it was easy to recover from. The new issue with these hurricanes is that they are bringing significantly more water with them because of global warming. The net resu…

>once in 1500 year floods happening every year. Source?

The sea, obviously

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Post by nealabq »

todd8 wrote: post #72
nealabq wrote: post #34

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The paper you cite is dated 2013 and says SLR has been 3mm/year since the 1990s. It mentions the possibilities of more dramatic rises by 2100 but doesn't go into much detail. If we're talking about a meter of SLR in the next 80 years, thats 12.5mm/year.

I'd like to understand this better. Do you have a scientific citation for 12.5mm yr until 2100? Here's the latest from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration[1]. It is a graph that shows with 95% confidence there has been a 2.42mm/year SLR for Key West from 1913 to 2018, the most recent information on their site for sea level trends. When I look at the graph, it looks quite linear over that time perio…

The paper you cited above calls 20, 39 and 59 inches of SLR by 2100 the low, intermediate and high scenarios. And 39 inches is close to a meter.

But since the paper is from 2013 I should have used 87 years. So 1000mm/87yrs = 11.5mm/yr, a little more optimistic than 12.5mm/yr.

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Post by qw »

kls wrote: post #120
sjg007 wrote: post #108

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Climate change has been a thing for longer than 44 years.

So has acid rain an the Ozone layer depletion. None of them killed me even though everyone in those days used the same vague scare tactics at one point I literally had months to live in the 1970;s due to acid rain. Pesticides and fertilizer in the sea is going to, in at least my children's lifetime. I am literately watching the ocean die every day and it is due to what we are pumping into the ocean.

The Ozone layer was improved by both politicians and the general public working together to reduce harmful chemicals. It is actually one of the great success stories where people worked together. Even the most conservative leaders in the West at the time, such as Ronald Reagan and Margaret Tatcher saw the threat and responded with action.

One could argue it was not so hard as fighting carbon emissions, because the general public had alternatives they could switch to without noticing much difference. It probably also helped that Margaret Tatcher actually was an educated chemist who could listen to the scientists

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Post by selectodude »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #124
rjbwork wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but some places are far worse than others. Down here in Atlanta we get some pretty bad thunder storms (and accompanying low lying land floods), and rare but not unheard of hail. We're pretty far from any real faults, though we have gotten tiny tremors from east Tennessee and north/south Georgia before, they're at most 4-5, with everything in Georgia around a 3. We're far enough away from, and high enough above t…

I think that falls under personal preference. I was born and raised in Georgia. I'm abundantly familiar with what goes on there, weather-wise. Near daily thunderstorms in the summer. Electrical storms that can kill electronics, appliances or even people. If it snows at all, businesses shut down, schools shut down, car wrecks go up, etc. If it gets too cold, they sometimes shut down schools and businesses. When I was…

Sounds like Chicago is about as close to safe as it gets anywhere on earth.

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Post by RyanAF7 »

Climate change is forced terraforming by oil companies pumping methane into the troposphere where it will radiate 84x the heat as CO2 and will convert to CO2 in 10 years.

There is a reason most natural gas wells are also used as cow pastures. Easy to hide from regulators and attribute to livestock.

Oil companies own huge portfolios of renewable energy as well as patents on batteries, turbines and other electric efficiencies.

Methane is being used to heat the planet as a way to change coastlines, upending worldwide real estate markets, and fueling a whole new market just in time for US oil to dominate for another 100 years.

Conspiracy right? I mean, it's not like the oil, steel and auto companies conspired to buy and dismantel the municipal trollies that existed in every major city at the turn of the 20th century.

Or how banks, rating agencies and insurers conspired to steal everyones homes through the largest financial scam in world history and then skate off scott free.

We sure talk a lot about Global Warming 10 years after realizing the Fed and international banking cartels were goose stepping us into slavery.

For which we're all very silent about now. Guess there isn't enough reason to "start the conversation".

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