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Isn't any blanket (and negative) statement about any race racist?
Criticizing white people for upholding a racist system is not racist.
Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize
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Re: Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize
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> I think it's important to note here that "bad for management" doesn't necessarily mean "good for employees". It is possible that unions are bad for both It's become clear in the past few years that a lot of people care less about winning than they do about their "enemies" losing. To them, it doesn't matter if you hurt yourself, as long as you hurt the people who disagree with you as well.
"It's become clear", could you please follow up with some examples so that what you are saying become more clear?
Most of the people I know that voted for Trump don’t even like him. It was just more important to keep Clinton out of office. Most of the people I know that voted for Clinton didn’t even like her, but she wasn’t Trump so she got the vote.
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We have a contract with the USPS IT department and let me tell you, it is absolutely awesome for their employees. They do about half the work we do in twice the amount of time, get paid more, have more holidays (2 weeks + every single federal holiday) and have pensions. Every worker there clocks in at 9, and clocks out at exactly 5, not a single minute past. If you want a meeting or them to get you something, it need…
I don't know if I'd like to work in a place like that. Wouldn't you get lazy after a couple of years? Doesn't this create incentives to deliberately work more slowly? After a couple of more years like that wouldn't you get used to not doing much and then get slaughtered when inevitable change came around? My friend referred to this kind of situation as "being in an ass" ;) Yeah, from time to time there's a smell but…
Even sled dogs owners give them plenty of rest or they stop doing a good job and you think it would hurt human performances?
Re: Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize
#234We should all unionize IMHO
I agree with you. For what it's worth, I work at Intel in Oregon. I would be interested in joining a union if that were an option. I suspect that tech industry work is sufficiently different from most other kinds of work that the optimal union might be somewhat different than unions that currently exist. Some questions we would need to work out: What do we want the union to advocate for? Pay and benefits are the usua…
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I know people personally on both the right and the left that aren't millionaires but (nearly) all of the public and influential political actors I know are at least millionaires, regardless of affiliation. You're counting your opponents as the second group and your allies as the first group. Someone on your opposing side could make the _exact_ argument by reversing the groups. It's telling that your statement does no…
Sure, politicians can become wealthy after holding office. I'm more talking about where people were situated before they entered politics, and in particular the people who are not politicians - donors, influencers (for lack of a better term), etc. And I think my politics are more accurately represented by normal people vs. career politicians than by donkey mascot vs. elephant mascot. I vote Democrat as a matter of le…
What you said paints your political allies as people you know personally who are essentially "down on their luck" people who are trying to make it while your political opponents are millionaires the likes of Mitch McConnell or a Lindsay Graham.
Someone with the opposite political leanings as you could say that their political allies are the steel workers in Pittsburgh and the auto workers in Detroit who's job were lost to globalization and free trade (and they vote Republican as a lesser of two evils) while their political opponents are millionaires like Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein.
You're using two different categories of people as allies and opponents.
If you cast your argument using the same categories, it doesn't make sense. Your allies, Pelosi and Feinstein are just as wealthy as your opponents, McConnell and Graham. Or inversely, your allies, the folks buying lotto tickets accepting below market salaries who just haven't joined the right startup are just as poor as your opponents, the factory workers and coal miners who've lost their jobs to globalization and technology.
I think you're trying to say your allies are both groups from the second example and your opponents are both groups from the first example but that doesn't really work because you're actively supporting half of each and actively working against the other half. You've chosen a side that you believe will help both sides, even though they are your opponents but I don't think that's a unique position to your side.
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We have -- we are all citizens. If you're a citizen of the United States, here is the first sentence of the document that instantiates that union: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establi…
Are H1B workers included in this union?
Re: Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
In fact, I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anti- (private sector) union rhetoric. I envy you such selective hearing. You could check out any discussion about the strike against General Motors that's taking place right now and find samplings of both pro- and anti-union rhetoric for comparison, but I wouldn't want you to put your exquisitely tuned eardrums at risk.
Given OP’s reference to anti-union ideology being “inculcated” I was thinking Of authoritative sources. When was the last time you heard an anti union screed from a politician? (Versus anti corporate screeds?)
I’ll never get the support of Dues Crazy union leadership, those people who rip-off their membership with ridiculously high dues, medical and other expenses while being paid a fortune. But the members love Trump. They look at our record economy, tax & reg cuts, military etc. WIN!
7:32 AM - 29 Apr 2019
inb4 'Trump isn't a politician'.
Re: Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize
#238Union tech is a very interesting startup idea. How do union organizers keep track of members, handle dues, plan, and communicate?
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Ever since The Most Expensive Mile of Subway Track in the World, the view of NYC's unions isn't really that positive. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyre...
Trillions of dollars change hands every day in New York. How much should the infrastructure for a place like that cost?