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America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by godzillabrennus »

olivermarks wrote: post #8

'By the end of the century, 13 million Americans will need to move just because of rising sea levels, at a cost of $1 million each, according to Florida State University demographer Mathew Haeur, who studies climate migration.' I couldn't find any concrete evidence to validate this, it seems more of a prediction? Mr Hauer is a sociologist so this seems a bold claim https://coss.fsu.edu/sociology/mhauer 'his research…

The claims I’ve seen start at 8 million and rise from there. Doubt anyone knows till it’s over.

Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by bhuga »

ForHackernews wrote: post #3

Where are the insurance companies on all this? Shouldn't it become increasingly more expensive to insure a low-lying property? Are they not including climate risks in their modelling?

The private insurance companies have gotten out of the flood insurance game long ago, leaving the government-backed US flood insurance program as the only game in town. And it's got a lot of bad incentives.

A quick summary is in https://www.apnews.com/d6a3852a6dd34a8c90a5a1acc0d0afaf, but that's just scratching the surface.

Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by stretchwithme »

pwg wrote: post #6
isomorphic wrote: post #2

The article is paywalled. outline.com and archive.org do not seem to work; Google's cache returns 404. Are there any other such sites that work?

It is only paywalled if you let your browser run the javascript served from the site. Blocking all the JS with NoScript results in being able to read the article with no paywall.

They will get wise to this eventually and start loading their articles using javascript. Business Insider already loads their images with javascript.

Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by olivermarks »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #11
olivermarks wrote: post #8

'By the end of the century, 13 million Americans will need to move just because of rising sea levels, at a cost of $1 million each, according to Florida State University demographer Mathew Haeur, who studies climate migration.' I couldn't find any concrete evidence to validate this, it seems more of a prediction? Mr Hauer is a sociologist so this seems a bold claim https://coss.fsu.edu/sociology/mhauer 'his research…

The claims I’ve seen start at 8 million and rise from there. Doubt anyone knows till it’s over.

Claims and predictions are one thing but where are the facts?

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Post by [deleted] »

olivermarks wrote: post #8

'By the end of the century, 13 million Americans will need to move just because of rising sea levels, at a cost of $1 million each, according to Florida State University demographer Mathew Haeur, who studies climate migration.' I couldn't find any concrete evidence to validate this, it seems more of a prediction? Mr Hauer is a sociologist so this seems a bold claim https://coss.fsu.edu/sociology/mhauer 'his research…

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Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by todd8 »

SLR (sea level rise) is a problem, but this article promotes a kind of alarmist version of SLR, in my admittedly inexpert opinion.

SLR has been going on for 20,000 years, and it may be accelerating in the last few decades due to global warming; however, if your property is threatened by a 3mm SLR per year you probably didn’t make a wise purchase in the first place. 2+mm SLR per year has been going on for at least 150 years. See [1].

[1] https://www.flseagrant.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SLR-Fa...

Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by electic »

Simulacra wrote: post #10

I don't think this article presents enough evidence that climate change, or climate in general, is affecting a person's desire to move to a new area. Florida has always had hurricanes, and it will continue to have hurricanes. Our response should not be to say the climate has changed so much its forcing us to leave, but rather what can we do to adapt to the new climate forces?

The issue isn't the hurricanes or the strength that is associated with them, it is the water content. In the past, hurricanes main threat was the wind. With wind, you can mitigate that with stronger building techniques and since the flooding was minimal, it was easy to recover from.

The new issue with these hurricanes is that they are bringing significantly more water with them because of global warming. The net result is you are seeing once in 1500 year floods happening every year.

It is very hard to recover from those. Especially if you find yourself doing it every year. At some point, you have to move.

The net loss is property and economic activity to name a couple.

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Post by joe_the_user »

isomorphic wrote: post #2

The article is paywalled. outline.com and archive.org do not seem to work; Google's cache returns 404. Are there any other such sites that work?

I clear cookies on Chromium and see it. But Bloomberg is getting as annoying NYTimes (where I also clear cookies).

Re: America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

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Post by propogandist »

electic wrote: post #18
Simulacra wrote: post #10

I don't think this article presents enough evidence that climate change, or climate in general, is affecting a person's desire to move to a new area. Florida has always had hurricanes, and it will continue to have hurricanes. Our response should not be to say the climate has changed so much its forcing us to leave, but rather what can we do to adapt to the new climate forces?

The issue isn't the hurricanes or the strength that is associated with them, it is the water content. In the past, hurricanes main threat was the wind. With wind, you can mitigate that with stronger building techniques and since the flooding was minimal, it was easy to recover from. The new issue with these hurricanes is that they are bringing significantly more water with them because of global warming. The net resu…

>once in 1500 year floods happening every year.

Source?

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