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I think the point is a used 10k car will almost always be more cost effective.
Bangeronomics make most sense only if you are willing to work on your own car.
They make even less sense for complex, proprietary EVs.
Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
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Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#82European here, trying to actually buy the thing. You can't. The first reservations will be fulfilled in the middle of 2020, but those will only be the mid-sized battery versions. If you want the version with a larger battery, there is no firm ship date, but it is expected in 2021. What I find somewhat amusing is that for the past months we've been bombarded by a huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't…
There are already very good Korean-made electric cars for sale at roughly the same price. You don't have to wait.
Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#83> The central focus is a new 10-inch touchscreen that sits in the middle of the ID.3’s dashboard. But VW has also opted to rely on touch-sensitive buttons throughout the cabin. In fact, the only things that are controlled through physical buttons, VW says, are the windows and the hazard lights. I don't understand why big touch screens in cars are seen as a step forward. To me, they raise safety issues, and they lack…
I was in an Uber last week with a large screen in the middle of the dash. For some reason it was a glossy screen so it was covered in fingerprints. Seemed like it would be prone to glare too. But when clean and in the right lighting, I bet it looks amazing.
Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#84European here, trying to actually buy the thing. You can't. The first reservations will be fulfilled in the middle of 2020, but those will only be the mid-sized battery versions. If you want the version with a larger battery, there is no firm ship date, but it is expected in 2021. What I find somewhat amusing is that for the past months we've been bombarded by a huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't…
I love it, but I don’t think these are even coming to the North American market.
Which begs the question.. why not? They would sell incredibly well. Things like this continue to make me question how committed these legacy automakers truly are in regarding to making and selling EVs.
Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#85European here, trying to actually buy the thing. You can't. The first reservations will be fulfilled in the middle of 2020, but those will only be the mid-sized battery versions. If you want the version with a larger battery, there is no firm ship date, but it is expected in 2021. What I find somewhat amusing is that for the past months we've been bombarded by a huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't…
> huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't exist
Maybe they want to make buyers hesitate on buying a Tesla Model 3 right now and wait until next year.
If you assume cars will sooner or later go electric, automakers would feel they need to capture part of that market to survive. The article says VW is making a "multibillion-dollar push", so it seems likely that's their strategy.
So if all they get out of these ads is to put people into a holding pattern until 2020 to decide on VW or Tesla, that combats the threat of Tesla dominance, which in and of itself could be worth what VW spends on ads.
Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#86European here, trying to actually buy the thing. You can't. The first reservations will be fulfilled in the middle of 2020, but those will only be the mid-sized battery versions. If you want the version with a larger battery, there is no firm ship date, but it is expected in 2021. What I find somewhat amusing is that for the past months we've been bombarded by a huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't…
There are already very good Korean-made electric cars for sale at roughly the same price. You don't have to wait.
Are there korean made vw ID.3's for sale at roughly the same price? because that is what this person is actually talking about waiting for..
Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#87European here, trying to actually buy the thing. You can't. The first reservations will be fulfilled in the middle of 2020, but those will only be the mid-sized battery versions. If you want the version with a larger battery, there is no firm ship date, but it is expected in 2021. What I find somewhat amusing is that for the past months we've been bombarded by a huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't…
The possible reason to start the campaign now is that a big chunk of the market in Europe is business lease. New vehicles are not ordered in the last quarter of the year, because the resell value will drop if the car is a year old in three months. The lead time for cars ordered by employees is a bit longer than for regular customers. By building the hype over a new affordable EV which in quite some countries come with tax brakes they probably hope people will wait for the car to come out in Q2 and not have another one delivered in Q1.
Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I love it, but I don’t think these are even coming to the North American market.
Which begs the question.. why not? They would sell incredibly well. Things like this continue to make me question how committed these legacy automakers truly are in regarding to making and selling EVs.
Possibly they're constrained by battery supply, or maybe they don't think they can ramp up production fast enough to supply all markets at once.
We'll know they're really committed when they stop making gas/diesel cars (which they've said they're planning to do eventually).
Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#89European here, trying to actually buy the thing. You can't. The first reservations will be fulfilled in the middle of 2020, but those will only be the mid-sized battery versions. If you want the version with a larger battery, there is no firm ship date, but it is expected in 2021. What I find somewhat amusing is that for the past months we've been bombarded by a huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't…
"huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't exist" Perhaps they are trying to gauge the likely success of the car before some final production decisions are made. You do have to wonder how Tesla is going to survive the first surge of practical mass-market electric cars. They definitely are riding some sort of tiger while trying to build out marketshare, technology, infrastructure. My money is on Toyota bu…
Tesla will be fine, for several reasons:
1. They're way ahead of everyone else in terms of energy efficiency. Compare a Model S or X to the Jaguar iPace or Audi e-tron - the Tesla gets 30-50% more range out of the same size battery. That's a big gap.
2. Super chargers - other manufacturers have to rely on really spotty networks of third-party charging stations that are unreliable, and add friction for their customers (have to have the right card and the right connector, etc.). Teslas super chargers are in all the right places, are stupid easy to use, and always work.
3. Tesla actually wants to sell EVs. The other manufacturers are hamstrung with their legacy product groups. They're just dipping their toes in the water trying to figure out how to make the transition without 'Osborning' themselves, or doing the minimum to satisfy California regulations. Tesla is all-in and innovating at a much faster pace.
Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I love it, but I don’t think these are even coming to the North American market.
The US is getting the ID.4 which is a compact crossover about the size of the Tiguan. It should look like their Crozz concept and should be revealed in February. The President of VW USA gave an interview recently stating the reason why we aren't getting the 3. One segment sells 60,000 cars the other sells 5 million. I think the ID.3 could sell great here and capture a lot more consumers than the typical market segmen…
VW in the US seems to me to lately be directly targeting US cars rather than trying to provide 'european imports' to the USA.
There was some marketing language on their site a month or so back about the new jetta being 'blend of US and german' or something like that.
I as a mk6 jetta owner personally think it looks like a ford, and thus hate it- not that I hate fords, but if I wanted a ford I'd buy a ford. My VW is supposed to be minimalist and understated, not in your face BAM nacho cheese cascade hops double IPA and quadruple Decker cheeseburger.
Kind of reminds me of beige box apple back in the day going after the business market, or anyone else selling losing differentiation to go after market share..