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Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by tomxor »

jayrot wrote: post #56
PorterDuff wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't exist" Perhaps they are trying to gauge the likely success of the car before some final production decisions are made. You do have to wonder how Tesla is going to survive the first surge of practical mass-market electric cars. They definitely are riding some sort of tiger while trying to build out marketshare, technology, infrastructure. My money is on Toyota bu…

Tesla is first to market on a lot of fronts and has the huge first-mover advantage, but you're right, when the competition gets real the easy wins will be over. It has been said -- many times -- that the actual major advantage of Tesla cars is that they get better over time by virtue of their software update process. While many many of the big players (VW, Toyota, Honda, etc.) are going to match specs when it comes t…

> While many many of the big players (VW, Toyota, Honda, etc.) are going to match specs when it comes to battery range and whatnot, I haven't seen any indications that any of them intend to follow suit with the software.

I'm hoping for the opposite, a return to basics, reliability and separation of concerns, not 3 billion lines of code running every single part of the car with a transistor - sure electric engines need some fundamental low level software and computer, and you can argue it's more fundamental to the engine than modern ICE computers.. but the whole infotainment center hub network bullshit, I'd really rather not have it all tied together, give me the machine, and independently some electrics like windows, mirrors, radio... if there must be a media center, at least make it separate from the computer that makes the car operate.

... and if you hadn't guessed, i'm obviously not an autopilot/selfdriving proponent so I don't care about that argument for integration.

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by dmitrygr »

jayrot wrote: post #56
PorterDuff wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't exist" Perhaps they are trying to gauge the likely success of the car before some final production decisions are made. You do have to wonder how Tesla is going to survive the first surge of practical mass-market electric cars. They definitely are riding some sort of tiger while trying to build out marketshare, technology, infrastructure. My money is on Toyota bu…

Tesla is first to market on a lot of fronts and has the huge first-mover advantage, but you're right, when the competition gets real the easy wins will be over. It has been said -- many times -- that the actual major advantage of Tesla cars is that they get better over time by virtue of their software update process. While many many of the big players (VW, Toyota, Honda, etc.) are going to match specs when it comes t…

I would pay for my car to NEVER update without my express approval. That is the definition of "my" - I get to decide how and when it changes. In fact, i think i will do just that. I might pick up one of these ID cars and thus vote with my wallet.

I am no EV fanboy, but this one looks like a practical second car fit for simple short-range missions

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by javagram »

ex3ndr wrote: post #69
herodotus wrote: post #46

> The central focus is a new 10-inch touchscreen that sits in the middle of the ID.3’s dashboard. But VW has also opted to rely on touch-sensitive buttons throughout the cabin. In fact, the only things that are controlled through physical buttons, VW says, are the windows and the hazard lights. I don't understand why big touch screens in cars are seen as a step forward. To me, they raise safety issues, and they lack…

You should to look at hardware buttons as often as on software ones. Just try to turn heat on in latest MB.

Large dials are the best. For instance the GE8 Honda fit has 3 huge dials, a lever, and 2 huge buttons that control the climate. It's extremely easy to adjust by touch without looking. https://imgur.com/a/V2yhIi6

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by [deleted] »

izacus wrote: post #66
jwr wrote: post #3

European here, trying to actually buy the thing. You can't. The first reservations will be fulfilled in the middle of 2020, but those will only be the mid-sized battery versions. If you want the version with a larger battery, there is no firm ship date, but it is expected in 2021. What I find somewhat amusing is that for the past months we've been bombarded by a huge marketing campaign advertising a car that doesn't…

That pretty much sounds like a Tesla 3 marketing campaign? :D There was a looong wait for those to start shipping too.

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Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by Angostura »

tomxor wrote: post #71
jayrot wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is first to market on a lot of fronts and has the huge first-mover advantage, but you're right, when the competition gets real the easy wins will be over. It has been said -- many times -- that the actual major advantage of Tesla cars is that they get better over time by virtue of their software update process. While many many of the big players (VW, Toyota, Honda, etc.) are going to match specs when it comes t…

> While many many of the big players (VW, Toyota, Honda, etc.) are going to match specs when it comes to battery range and whatnot, I haven't seen any indications that any of them intend to follow suit with the software. I'm hoping for the opposite, a return to basics, reliability and separation of concerns, not 3 billion lines of code running every single part of the car with a transistor - sure electric engines nee…

I’m hoping for twisty knobs and flicky switches

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by kabes »

They claim an 8 year / 160K km warranty on their battery. But this usually means they claim to have X percent capacity left after this time. E.g. for the BMW i3 it's 70%. But how can a car owner even measure this? How would one go about claiming this warranty if he thinks it degraded too much?

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by tlb »

mobilemidget wrote: post #77

Why do electric cars have such different wheels, almost closed discs style? I still have to see the first Tesla with chrome rims.

Lower air resistance gives longer range.

The Tesla Model S has spoked aluminum rims in black. For some reason, nobody customizes them.

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by notJim »

All the negativity is overlooking that this is a really exciting time for electric cars, IMO. Aside from price, Tesla is still by far the best option around as far as I can tell, but it's exciting that there are so many new cars coming out. An electric car doesn't quite work for me right now because of the limited charging options, but it seems like that's going to change rapidly.

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by vonmoltke »

mikeash wrote: post #43
deng wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for Germany, it is pretty much impossible to really know the average price of a new car. This is mostly due to so called "Händlerzulassungen", which means the dealer will actually buy the car, register it for a day, and then sell it as officially "used". This is why at least in the official statistic, only 30% of all new cars in Germany are sold to private citizens. Dealers do this because they are then more…

I don’t think that’s done in the US. At least I’ve never heard of it, and if a dealer tried it with me I’d probably walk out, assuming they were scamming me somehow.

Generally states require a vehicle to be driven for a certain amount of time before it can be sold as used. I'm also not sure that dealers are permitted to register cars that they are not using as service loaners.
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