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Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by gavanwoolery »

For the record (if it matters) I am very pro-immigration and pro-immigrant rights, but I don't think denying chef services to ICE will actually do anything - let me explain.

Lets look at this from another perspective (couldn't hurt, right?). I am a company that sells paper.

Some companies might use this paper for very bad things (printing out patents?).

Do I comb through all my clients and determine what they are using the paper for? Doesn't seem to make sense, and worse yet, it seems like an entirely subjective process. Who says which companies are "good" and which are "bad" ?

When I stop selling paper to an entity, they will just find another paper provider. I have not really done anything meaningful aside from signalled my intentions, which I could do more effectively in other ways (lobbying, etc).

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by neuronflux »

eof wrote: post #8
badrequest wrote: post #3

> to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country. "I simply have all the ability and none of the desire to do anything about it"

I am sure if chef withrdrew their services then suddenly the entire DHS would become sane and kind.

You're suggesting that nobody should every take a stand for what they feel is right and good because their actions are too insignificant anyway? Grim.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by jdubz79 »

Fuck you! thats my response to that spineless response.

Thank you for validating my decision to not recommend Chef for quite some time. I used to be quite a big fan of chef, mostly with chef-solo/zero.

This company has stagnated and has not released anything innovating for quite some time. You are a stale tool that deserves to wither into the ether.

And now you choose to support an organization that treats humans worse than garbage.

Heres me kicking the door shut, hoping it hits you on the way out.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by notus »

commandlinefan wrote: post #6
badrequest wrote: post #3

> to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country. "I simply have all the ability and none of the desire to do anything about it"

I can see where he's coming from: if he refuses to do business with ICE because he disagrees with something they're doing (whether he or they are actually wrong), he's implicitly endorsing every aspect of every customer he does choose to do business with.

I disagree with that implication. Refusing to do business with ICE in this context is just saying that their actions are so bad that they cannot support that level of evil. All that implies of the people they continue to work is they don't meet that threshold of evil. It's not a black and white thing.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by vageli »

commandlinefan wrote: post #6
badrequest wrote: post #3

> to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country. "I simply have all the ability and none of the desire to do anything about it"

I can see where he's coming from: if he refuses to do business with ICE because he disagrees with something they're doing (whether he or they are actually wrong), he's implicitly endorsing every aspect of every customer he does choose to do business with.

By this logic no one can ever take a stand, lest they be criticized for being inconsistent in the application of their principles. Gotta start somewhere, no?

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by Porthos9K »

eof wrote: post #8
badrequest wrote: post #3

> to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country. "I simply have all the ability and none of the desire to do anything about it"

I am sure if chef withrdrew their services then suddenly the entire DHS would become sane and kind.

No. DHS would not reform. But at least Chef would no longer be complicit.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by Steven_Vellon »

badrequest wrote: post #3

> to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country. "I simply have all the ability and none of the desire to do anything about it"

What ability does Chef have to change family separation and detainment? These things would still be happening if ICE had to go back to whatever they were using before Chef.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by tr33house »

Regarding the deleted Ruby gems:

I think it's unprofessional for developers to try and bring down production services just because they disagree with a company move. It's also a bit immature. The thing to do in this case is to quit. Down your tools and quit, but don't destroy the hard work of your teammates and betray the trust of all your investors and customers.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by [deleted] »

commandlinefan wrote: post #6
badrequest wrote: post #3

> to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country. "I simply have all the ability and none of the desire to do anything about it"

I can see where he's coming from: if he refuses to do business with ICE because he disagrees with something they're doing (whether he or they are actually wrong), he's implicitly endorsing every aspect of every customer he does choose to do business with.

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