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Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by deng »

adventured wrote: post #20
lostmsu wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what is the median? Is it for new cars only?

The median figure doesn't exist. I've looked for it for ten years, it never gets reported anywhere. The $34,000 figure (2019) is the average for all new consumer passenger vehicles, including SUVs, trucks (eg F-150), luxury, etc. A typical mass market vehicle will more often be in the $22,000 to $26,000 range. From a Honda Civic around $19k, to high volume trucks around $26k-$32k (all base model prices). The Ford Exp…

At least for Germany, it is pretty much impossible to really know the average price of a new car. This is mostly due to so called "Händlerzulassungen", which means the dealer will actually buy the car, register it for a day, and then sell it as officially "used". This is why at least in the official statistic, only 30% of all new cars in Germany are sold to private citizens. Dealers do this because they are then more flexible w.r.t. pricing, and also they often get bonuses for registering a certain amount of cars in a quarter.

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Post by justin66 »

vincent-toups wrote: post #5

For the masses? My family is doing fairly well for people in my generation and I've never ever briefly considered buying a car for more than 10k.

> For the masses? My family is doing fairly well for people in my generation and I've never ever briefly considered buying a car for more than 10k.

Identify your reasons for that and ask yourself if they're representative of how "the masses" tend to think about their purchases.

(the average used car price in the US is over $20k)

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Post by Darkstryder »

Xixi wrote: post #27
Darkstryder wrote: post #23

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The pricing is more complicated than that. There is no way to buy a Model 3 at 35K$ in Europe. In France for instance, the minimum price is a whopping 48K€. Source : I wanted to buy a Model 3 in France. - 35K$ is actually 39K$, excluding the off the menu version. You can't buy a Model 3 without Autopilot anymore, even though I don't care about Autopilot. And I'm not even sure you can buy the "off the menu" version of…

Pedantic maybe, but the 10% is not the Trump tariff, but the EU tariff. As far as I know it predates Trump's election and various trade wars.

Not pedantic, thank you for this info.

I was under the impression this tariff existed because of the trade wars. The bad news is that it is less likely to be removed once Trump is out of office :-(

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Post by turtlebits »

everdrive wrote: post #8

I'm really excited for more viable electric vehicles. But, the claim that this is the first car for the masses when it's simply 2-3k (~33k to ~35k in USD) cheaper than a Tesla model 3 is discouraging. That said, I do understand that the total cost of ownership does catch up if you keep the car long enough. I would just love to see something in the 20s, or even lower. (Further, I'm very sympathetic to the argument tha…

I feel like everyone overlooks the Chevy Bolt (probably because of all the Tesla hype). At the dealer (w/ bargaining and/or discounts), you can get one for 30k USD.

This is before the US federal tax credit, so you'll get some money back.

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Post by codeulike »

Xixi wrote: post #19
everdrive wrote: post #8

I'm really excited for more viable electric vehicles. But, the claim that this is the first car for the masses when it's simply 2-3k (~33k to ~35k in USD) cheaper than a Tesla model 3 is discouraging. That said, I do understand that the total cost of ownership does catch up if you keep the car long enough. I would just love to see something in the 20s, or even lower. (Further, I'm very sympathetic to the argument tha…

Be careful when comparing EU prices to US prices: EU prices always include sales tax (varies by country, but 20% in France and 19% in Germany), while US prices never include them. Assuming 10% tariffs and 20% sales taxes, that bumps the $35,000 Tesla to $46,200, or about 42,000 EUR. Indeed the cheapest Model 3 that I could find in France costs 42,600 EUR. If the Volkswagen ID.3 comes in somewhere between 26,000 EUR a…

UK checking in here. Cheapest Model 3 in the UK is £38,500 which is about 44,000 euros or $48,000

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

pwagland wrote: post #16
Xixi wrote: post #2

An article comparing the cost of ownership of Volkswagen ID.3 vs. Volkswagen Golf: https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/19/volkswagen-id-3-vs-volk... Cost of gas and electricity are based, if I understand correctly, on German prices.

Note that at least part of the lower TCO is due to the fact that they expect the id.3 to retain 43% of value, and the normal golf to retain 33% of value. Setting these to equal eliminates any advantage, either way, the 5 year cost difference is largely a wash out. That different cars retain value differently isn't intrinsically a problem, however assuming a high resale value for an unknown car feels like stacking the…

Considering how much a used golf with a lowered odometer costs in the balkans (imported from germany), that's quite a weird theory.

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Post by bvandewalle »

NullPrefix wrote: post #22
ct0 wrote: post #11

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That's sad to hear, Id actually put deposit on one right now.

There's dozens other people who would. Dozens.

They are not cash constrained and don't need your deposits. They missed out on a great marketing trick though: Make it exclusive.

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Post by pjc50 »

pwagland wrote: post #17
bryanlarsen wrote: post #6

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And in a few years time, used ID.3's will be available for under 10K.

Probably more than a "few" I think that you will be looking at 5-7 for the cars to fall to under a third of new value. Although that depends on your definition of "a few"* I guess. * https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/05/how-much-is-a-few...

Used Nissan Leaves seem to fall off a cliff. 2016 ones are already visible on ebay for under £10k.
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