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Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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Not having marketing spammers is still better than having spammers and scammers

There's usually an unsubscribe button for marketing spam, and if there isn't I usually block their email. You can't do that with scammers / illegal spam.

So GDPR would solve some of the problems? That sounds great to me. It can also cut some borderline grey data companies.

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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There's usually an unsubscribe button for marketing spam, and if there isn't I usually block their email. You can't do that with scammers / illegal spam.

Have you ever clicked one of those? I've never been sure if that wouldn't have worsened the situation by giving feedback that this is an active mail address managed by somebody.

I click it all the time when I feel I'm getting way too many emails. If I feel like it's not some malware spam at least but genuine marketing trying to sell me something. Every now and then I go back to all those "rewards programs" emails and unsubscribe to the least relevant ones to me.

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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It is a problem when you are targeting users from Europe, which you are doing almost certainly.

We already have more than enough cookie popups and "heads up" emails whenever a company changes a comma in their ToS. GDPR is a bureaucratic madness and not something to be imitated. Want to educate users about privacy? do it with extensive educational campaigns, not by ruining everyone's experience on the web

GDPR wants to ensure that user privacy is protected. If you do that in your business, you don't need to show any cookie popups.

A honest cookie popup would ask "Do you want to be tracked for advertising purposes? yes/no", and any sane person would klick "no". No education needed at all, if the advertisement industry would play honest.

If the Web experience is ruined now, the Web advertisement industry needs to fix it.

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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I was arguing against two points made above: 1) "GDPR is europe's problem" --> I'm saying it's an attempted solution, not a problem 2) "not of the entire 'email industry'" --> the whole 'email industry' is in fact, affected. Where you operate from isn't a factor. Only if you don't email EU citizens (which is quite unlikely), you don't have to worry about it. If you do (which is very likely), you should know and imple…

I misunderstood the fact that you don't see it a as a problem. I don't think the GDPR solves much or anything, iff you want to play on the internet, almost [there are good exceptions, where you can just choose to have a 'lesser' experience] all of the time you'll have to click "I agree".

> I don't think the GDPR solves much or anything, iff you want to play on the internet, almost … all of the time you'll have to click "I agree".

That in itself is a GDPR violation. If you care enough, report it. That said, this is not what happens “almost all of the time” at all. In my experience most websites are completely or partially usable when you disagree with being tracked. At worst (and also in violation of GDPR), the tracking dialog makes it intentionally difficult to refuse being tracked.

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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There's usually an unsubscribe button for marketing spam, and if there isn't I usually block their email. You can't do that with scammers / illegal spam.

Have you ever clicked one of those? I've never been sure if that wouldn't have worsened the situation by giving feedback that this is an active mail address managed by somebody.

If it's from a legitimate company in American jurisdiction they are legally obligated to stop sending emails if you click unsubscribe. I suppose that piece of information has some nonzero value that you are giving up in exchange to not be contacted by that company.

If you filter just a single address that address can change. If you filter their domain you might lose legitimate correspondence.

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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"This stressed out a lot of email marketers, who quite rightly realised that the new regulations would have a significant effect on their ability to acquire and market to customers via their email address" "The overwhelming majority of commercial email sent today contains tracking pixels and tracking links, these are used to uniquely identify individuals so that opens and clicks can be correctly attributed to them" G…

> While spammers may have a problem, people don't. Marketing spammers maybe, but now scammers and malware spammers have the floor instead. Laws only stop the law abiding citizens from doing their thing, it sure doesn't stop the criminals from.... being criminals.

True, but the "law abiding" corporations are the problem for my privacy, not spammers.

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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As an european who rejects ad trackers on every website, I can confirm that a good 95% of them are correctly implemented and will let you keep browsing. Some of them (usually americans with a poor understanding of why they even implemented that) will kick you out or ask you again on every page load until you accept. We need a standard for managing these controls on the browser side, which major browsers can then impl…

There's a browser extension which clicks away the consent dialogues for you: https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/ It lets you specify a global setting to what extent you want to be tracked, and communicates that to sites that support the extension's "standard".

But there is no reason for most websites to be compliant when they know that by default they will get what they want (blanket permission)...

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

#98

True that the European user should be able to opt-out just from tracking. Our platform MailUp (ESP) is handling this in the preference center (that can be customized). Here is a sample: https://updates.mailup.com/frontend/preferencecenter/363734/...

By default the European user should be opted out of tracking

This and only this is a valid, legal solution according to the GDPR.

Especially all the "by continuing to use our site, you'll agree to getting the shit tracked out of you"-messages are highly illegal, because the GDPR requires explicit consent.

Sadly there have been no big legal cases up till now. But the time will come.

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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I think the GDPR is a good opportunity to reflect how much tracking we really need. Tracking has become so ubiquitous, it's become the default to put Google Analytics on a site, to put a tracking pixel into every email, to personalize every link we send out... But so much of that tracking isn't really necessary. I've stopped tracking website visitors and stopped including tracking pixels in emails a few years ago, an…

GDPR wants 0 tracking. That's wrong too, the internet can't work that way, even governments can't work that way. EU wants advertising to go back to the popup / animated gifs & flash / interstitial era to maximize clickthroughs in the off-chance one of them is actually interested in your ads. That's regression

Re: Dear Email Industry, We’ve Got a GDPR Problem

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There's usually an unsubscribe button for marketing spam, and if there isn't I usually block their email. You can't do that with scammers / illegal spam.

Marketers, spammers and scammers are the same thing - sources of unsolicited e-mail, engaging with whom is not good for you. Eliminating marketers from the trio means only that much less messages to worry about.

I guess I must not be important enough or something because I don't recall the last time I got any marketing emails without sharing my email with a marketing person. The only marketing outside of "Rewards" programs that I get is marketing from the one conference I go to every year, and I get plenty of free swag from them, then I unsubscribe.
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