Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by cowsandmilk » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:00 AM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #183

"The company will be ordering 100,000 electric delivery trucks" Headline is false. Amazon have NOT ordered 100k electric delivery trucks. Amazon have made a announcement to get a lot of free press. For themselves (vitue signalling, oooh isn't amazon green) and for the company in which they have invested. Seriously. I'm announcing here that I will order bezos' underpants. You should take it as seriously. Corporate PR…

Amazon’s corporate statement has more detail than you claim:

> Amazon today announced the order of 100,000 electric delivery vehicles from Rivian, the largest order ever of electric delivery vehicles, with vans starting to deliver packages to customers in 2021. Amazon plans to have 10,000 of the new electric vehicles on the road as early as 2022 and all 100,000 vehicles on the road by 2030—saving 4 million metric tons of carbon per year by 2030.

https://blog.aboutamazon.com/sustainability/the-climate-pled...

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by cowsandmilk » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:08 AM UTC

grumpy8 wrote: post #189

Never heard from Rivian before. I'd have expected Tesla to get that contract, but I guess if Amazon invested in Rivian it makes sense to order 100k vehicules and make sure that company is successful to get a huge return.

It is highly likely the investment was because Rivian is the company Amazon decided long ago to order from, not that Amazon is ordering from them because they invested.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by hwj » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:10 AM UTC

I've never heard of Rivian before and had to look it up: it's an American automaker founded in 2009.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by alex_duf » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:26 AM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #9

Wow, 100k is no small change. Hoping this accelerates the "tipping point" for electric vehicles - in my mind that's when the infrastructure for EVs (e.g. charging stations, or something in the future like battery swaps) actually makes it easier to own than a gas vehicle.

I think we're past the tipping point when a company orders 100k vehicules

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by jessaustin » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:27 AM UTC

dx034 wrote: post #237

greglindahl wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it quicker? 10,000 per year is a milestone that Tesla hit in 2013.

Trucks will presumably stay at lower rates than cars. A Tesla truck would also have lower production rates than the Model 3. So 10,000 for a company with much less funding doesn't sound too bad.

You must be thinking of somewhere else. Top selling vehicles of 2019 in USA:

1) Ford F-series

2) Dodge Ram

3) Chevrolet Silverado

https://focus2move.com/usa-best-selling-cars/

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by alex_duf » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:29 AM UTC

jlmorton wrote: post #24

jackhack wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tipping point, indeed... and not in a good way: let's take 100,000 vehicles with (I'm conservatively guessing) a 100 kWh battery each, that's a 100,000,000 kWh load each night! 100,000 Mega watt-hours is roughly the output of about 10 nuclear power plants in a 24H period. Unless a lot of new capacity comes online, it could easily overwhelm the existing electrical grid's capacity. Let's hope this is a gradual transiti…

Note that 100kWh/day * 100,000 vehicles is 10,000MWh/day. If a typical nuclear power plant output is about 500MW, that's 12,000MWh/day.

Also that math is assuming a full charge every day. I doubt that would be the case

Edit That would be between 400 to 500 km a day. I would be surprised delivery vans need that much

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by jessaustin » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:32 AM UTC

jansan wrote: post #218

csours wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So 700 000 000/100 000 would be 7 000 - So an initial investment of 7 000 per vehicle they want to buy. Now if they buy 100 000 vehicles at a rate of $100 000 each (pretty reasonable for industrial vehicles), that is 10 000 000 000 (10 Billion dollars). If it's $50k each, that will be $5B. $5-10 Billion in sales ain't too shabby.

Maybe you are totally mixing up revenue and profit.

Profit? If there's one thing Amazon isn't concerned about...

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by dao- » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:41 AM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #245

dx034 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trucks will presumably stay at lower rates than cars. A Tesla truck would also have lower production rates than the Model 3. So 10,000 for a company with much less funding doesn't sound too bad.

You must be thinking of somewhere else. Top selling vehicles of 2019 in USA: 1) Ford F-series 2) Dodge Ram 3) Chevrolet Silverado https://focus2move.com/usa-best-selling-cars/

> You must be thinking of somewhere else.

Indeed. The Amazon order is for delivery trucks (the same kind of car as produced by StreetScooter), not pickup trucks nor semis or whatever else people in this thread have been talking about.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by friendlybus » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:54 AM UTC

qroshan wrote: post #198

cloudwalking wrote: post #122

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The Tesla truck will almost certainly beat them to mass market. Look how long it took Tesla to scale up production -- the Model S shipped in 2013. It wasn't until 2018 that Tesla built their 200,000th vehicle. Rivian hasn't yet shipped a single truck to customers; they're in for a long and difficult road ahead building out their production lines. All that said I do hope Rivian is successful. I would absolutely buy an…

Tesla took so long for production because Charlatan-In-Chief didn't want to use any of the lessons learned about Auto Manufacturing the past 100 years and decided to do it his way. Charlatan-In-Chief also assumed he knows more about A.I and Robotics than many who warned him about his 'Alien Dreadnought' vision. Rest assured people who are focused on building mass cars won't have the same hubris

I think a valid criticism of CIC is that he should have staged all his new tech instead of trying to do it all at once, like he himself has said. If you look you can find real things to be critical of him about.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by solarkraft » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 11:19 AM UTC

aetherspawn wrote: post #230

I work for a company that could most definitely deliver this vision before Rivian could (this is entirely my personal opinion and not reflective of my company) due to our extensive, non-vapourware, build history. The trucks are very real and being field tested, delivering real packages to real people every day. Most don’t even realise they are electric. The price is not a niche price you may imagine; it’s very highly…

Slightly OT, I know: Does your company sell power trains to individuals? I'm shopping for one (around 50kW, perhaps sans battery) that is relatively inexpensive and can go on the road in Europe without an extra electromagnetic inspection.