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Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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greglindahl wrote: post #224
dao- wrote: post #182

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> If they don't have a single vehicle, they are years and years away, to the point that Tesla truck may beat them to mass market. StreetScooter, a DHL subsidiary, managed to ramp up the production of electric delivery trucks much quicker. They also sell to third-parties (mostly in Germany I suppose). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/StreetScooter

Was it quicker? 10,000 per year is a milestone that Tesla hit in 2013.

Tesla exists since... 2003? They started as a research initiative in 2010, things became only serious business wise when Deutsche Post acquired them in 2014.

Anyway I'm not even sure why exactly we're talking about Tesla. I thought they were going to produce a semi, not a delivery truck?

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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icebraining wrote: post #225
dao- wrote: post #180

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> Now if they buy 100 000 vehicles at a rate of $100 000 each (pretty reasonable for industrial vehicles), Ahem, electric delivery trucks built by a DHL subsidiary ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/StreetScooter ) are selling for much less.

Where are you seeing prices? From what I can tell from that article, StreetScooter mostly produces for internal use by their parent company.

Check their website, they sell to anyone willing to place a large enough order (it seems that the exact price is subject to negotiation).

Let's step back for a moment. DHL is replacing Volkswagen Caddy delivery trucks. The 100,000$ estimate is entirely off for this kind of delivery truck that I think is comparable to what Amazon needs.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by de_watcher »

Robotbeat wrote: post #78
vonmoltke wrote: post #77

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We're just changing climate back to what is was way before us. Current state was created by the organisms who went into the ground. Our turn now.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by solarkraft »

aetherspawn wrote: post #230

I work for a company that could most definitely deliver this vision before Rivian could (this is entirely my personal opinion and not reflective of my company) due to our extensive, non-vapourware, build history. The trucks are very real and being field tested, delivering real packages to real people every day. Most don’t even realise they are electric. The price is not a niche price you may imagine; it’s very highly…

Why do you think Amazon went with Rivian instead of your company?

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #177
dzhiurgis wrote: post #171

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Wrong. Acceleration is driven by voltage, current dictates top speed.

They're a little wrong, mostly by conflating current (amps) and power (watts) because of standardized cells, all with the same voltage. This post is worse. It's easy to get any voltage you want out of a big battery pack. And it's pretty easy to convert between voltages. The hard part is sustaining whatever max voltage your motor can accept, which is a matter of power. If your motor is big enough, and your electronics…

Sorry then. My experience is with ebikes where more voltage gives you more torque. More amps - more top speed. But maybe the dash reports it differently and from POV of a controller.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by dx034 »

greglindahl wrote: post #224
dao- wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they don't have a single vehicle, they are years and years away, to the point that Tesla truck may beat them to mass market. StreetScooter, a DHL subsidiary, managed to ramp up the production of electric delivery trucks much quicker. They also sell to third-parties (mostly in Germany I suppose). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/StreetScooter

Was it quicker? 10,000 per year is a milestone that Tesla hit in 2013.

Trucks will presumably stay at lower rates than cars. A Tesla truck would also have lower production rates than the Model 3. So 10,000 for a company with much less funding doesn't sound too bad.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by dx034 »

rsynnott wrote: post #164
xxpor wrote: post #31

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These seem like they'd never work in the US. They aren't fast enough to go on the highway and their range is limited to 62 miles.

The US has cities, I believe.

But even those tend to have much lower population density than European cities. In Europe (and especially Germany where this was developed), large parts of cities consist of multi-family homes with a high population density. Those make up a much smaller part of cities in the US.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by icebraining »

dao- wrote: post #232
icebraining wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you seeing prices? From what I can tell from that article, StreetScooter mostly produces for internal use by their parent company.

Check their website, they sell to anyone willing to place a large enough order (it seems that the exact price is subject to negotiation). Let's step back for a moment. DHL is replacing Volkswagen Caddy delivery trucks. The 100,000$ estimate is entirely off for this kind of delivery truck that I think is comparable to what Amazon needs.

So StreetScooter seems to be selling a van with a 40kWh battery for about $50000. Rivian is talking about building vehicles with batteries between 105-180kWh. That alone will raise the price quite a bit. Maybe it's overkill for a delivery van, but it's also very possible that Amazon has a need for longer trips than the DHL.
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