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The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by dilyevsky »

cwkoss wrote: post #27
shadowgovt wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially at the time, it was really unclear whether Manning was "The good guys." It's honestly still a controversial opinion. Lots of people died from an Arab Spring that was kicked off by Libyans learning the State Dept's opinion of their government. The resulting revolutions wave left a trail of bodies but didn't make much change. The State Department keeps its opinions secret for a reason.

> Lots of people died from an Arab Spring that was kicked off by Libyans learning the State Dept's opinion of their government. This is a truly bizarre claim. You really think the popular uprising in Libya was caused because a different country criticized their government? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)#Backgr...

Weird claim indeed. Arab spring was triggered by Mohamed Bouazizi setting himself on fire in Tunisia. It’s interesting this is often forgotten now

Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by thrower123 »

sooheon wrote: post #39
stordoff wrote: post #35

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The question to ask (IMO) is are they dying at a higher rate than people not involved in court cases (adjusting for age, gender if appropriate), and even then I wouldn't be surprised if the stress of being involved in a court case causes a somewhat higher rate. My suspicion is that you're only noticing it because they're in the public eye, and so reported, but the actual number of people dying of unexpected causes is…

Is this your opinion on the Epstein death as well?

That one really stinks to high heaven. It beggars belief that there could be that much incompetence and coincidental failures aligning to allow him to be found dead.

Sometimes you really need a public trial to air out the laundry, and now that's not going to happen.

Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by yitchelle »

quotz wrote: post #13
VonGuard wrote: post #11

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Lamo was a twitchy little fuck with lots of enemies. He was a miserable person, always unhappy, plagued with mental illness, and a past spotted with fucked up relationships. The only people I have ever heard speak kindly of him are the press. I'd known the guy since 1999, and even back then, in the hacker circles, he was making enemies and pissing people off just by being a bad person in general... Seems like a text…

I watched an interview with him and what you say definitely feels true to me. I mean that guy snitched on the good guys, and Chelsea Manning was a really good friend of his. Who the fuck does that? You can really see that he was plaqued by mental issues....

>> I mean that guy snitched on the good guys, and Chelsea Manning was a really good friend of his. Who the fuck does that?

Any idea as to this motivation for the type of behaviour?

Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by ryacko »

thrower123 wrote: post #42
sooheon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this your opinion on the Epstein death as well?

That one really stinks to high heaven. It beggars belief that there could be that much incompetence and coincidental failures aligning to allow him to be found dead. Sometimes you really need a public trial to air out the laundry, and now that's not going to happen.

You don’t need a trial to be transparent. You only need to present all the available facts, and hopefully they would support the decisions that were made.

Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by antithotpolice »

quotz wrote: post #13
VonGuard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lamo was a twitchy little fuck with lots of enemies. He was a miserable person, always unhappy, plagued with mental illness, and a past spotted with fucked up relationships. The only people I have ever heard speak kindly of him are the press. I'd known the guy since 1999, and even back then, in the hacker circles, he was making enemies and pissing people off just by being a bad person in general... Seems like a text…

I watched an interview with him and what you say definitely feels true to me. I mean that guy snitched on the good guys, and Chelsea Manning was a really good friend of his. Who the fuck does that? You can really see that he was plaqued by mental issues....

It’s kind of disorienting to read that. AFAIK, Chelsea was never friends with Adrian. Bradley, on the other hand, was.

Must we rewrite history?

Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by Kiro »

eganist wrote: post #15
thrower123 wrote: post #10

There are an awful lot of people turning up dead with connections to pending investigations and court cases lately...

This kind of conspiratorial speculation isn't really appropriate here.

Whenever it's something regarding Assange you are all very keen on getting conspiratorial.

Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by jacquesm »

tptacek wrote: post #30
quotz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched an interview with him and what you say definitely feels true to me. I mean that guy snitched on the good guys, and Chelsea Manning was a really good friend of his. Who the fuck does that? You can really see that he was plaqued by mental issues....

I don't know Lamo at all, but it's worth considering that Lamo may have saved Manning's life, for more than one reason; Manning could have betrayed more and worse secrets than she managed to before being arrested in Iraq; regardless of Lamo's intervention, and even if she hadn't funneled any more documents to Assange, she likely would have been caught anyways, and had she been caught later, her commutation might not…

Betray someone today, save their life!

Really, this is reaching.

'May, could, if, likely, might, could'

How many weasel words can you cram into one hypothetical?

How about: It is possible that had Lamo not turned in Manning that we have no clue on how things happened past that point because it didn't happen.

Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by jacquesm »

shadowgovt wrote: post #25
megous wrote: post #22

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That's quite nonsensical, what you say. If she was there of her own volition, there would be no need for guards, and doors, and locks, and for people who took her away to have taken her away. She would just walked into the prison when she wanted on her own terms. (unlikely)

I believe empath means that unlike other prisoners, there's a clear and specific action she can take to leave prison any time she chooses to.

That doesn't make it voluntary now, does it?

It's only voluntary if the doors are unlocked, the guards are gone and you still chose to be there. The whole reason she's there is because they want something from her, it is a legal form of blackmail.

Re: The Mysterious Death of the Hacker Who Turned in Chelsea Manning

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Post by iamnotacrook »

quaquaqua1 wrote: post #3

I independently investigated Lamo's death. The most likely cause of death is related to kidney failure as per the autopsy posted of the medical examiner's website. Whether the cause of the kidney failure was related to his diet or to some external actor is unable to be determined due to the decomposition of the body when they found it. RIP

Do you mean you worked on the case, or just that you read about it on the internet?
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