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US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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How does this reconcile with the data listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe... ? That shows $530,244 for Switzerland and $403,974 for US. Difference in sampling or does the wiki one not reflect net wealth?

Wikipedia uses Credit Suisse and this news uses Allianz.

That's much less important than the date, which is 8 years apart.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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When you take out a loan, it doesn't decrease your net worth, right? If I'm worth $X, then I take out a $1MM loan, at that moment I'm still worth approximately $X (because the $1MM the bank gave me and $1MM I owe the bank cancel each other out). So I'd rank them as: - Billionaire - Home owner - Minimum wage earner - Neurosurgeon

Why is a house an asset but an education isn't? Do you think a potential spouse would pass over the neurosurgeon?

Because a bank can’t foreclose on your education if you default on a loan.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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If I have a billion dollars, and start a country that consists of me in my palace and 2000 other people living in abject poverty, we are now the "richest nation on earth" by this definition. Big whoop.

Except your country would be very poor, because you'd have either another country's currency, or you would have a $1bn trade deficit and little actual wealth - thats after you somehow get yourself some UN recognized sovereign territory

Just have $1b worth of gold

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Why is a house an asset but an education isn't? Do you think a potential spouse would pass over the neurosurgeon?

A house is a nearly guaranteed asset. The value will likely steadily rise throughout the years, and with good homeowners insurance you'll get paid even if the house is destroyed. An education guarantees nothing. The neurosurgeon could die, or suffer an injury preventing them from performing surgery, or just plain quit and decide to pursue art instead. Of course the neurosurgeon has a significantly higher potential fu…

nearly and likely being key here.

The 2007 / 2008 financial crisis was partially triggered by the fact that this age old adage is not necessarily true.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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> But debts in the Alpine country are far higher than in the US... Debts make this comparison difficult to make meaningful. A few cases: - Minimum wage earner barely scrapes by but does not seek any credit. - Someone in a high cost of living area takes out a mortgage. - A young neurosurgeon with fresh educational debt takes on a very high paying job. - A billionaire borrows to finance a major real estate project The…

When you take out a loan, it doesn't decrease your net worth, right? If I'm worth $X, then I take out a $1MM loan, at that moment I'm still worth approximately $X (because the $1MM the bank gave me and $1MM I owe the bank cancel each other out). So I'd rank them as: - Billionaire - Home owner - Minimum wage earner - Neurosurgeon

I appreciate how your ranked Neurosurgeon at the bottom -- because under the typical system, future earnings are not NPV'd, so in the case of Neurosurgeon, you only see the liability but don't account for the extraordinary earnings potential.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you take out a loan, it doesn't decrease your net worth, right? If I'm worth $X, then I take out a $1MM loan, at that moment I'm still worth approximately $X (because the $1MM the bank gave me and $1MM I owe the bank cancel each other out). So I'd rank them as: - Billionaire - Home owner - Minimum wage earner - Neurosurgeon

Why is a house an asset but an education isn't? Do you think a potential spouse would pass over the neurosurgeon?

Can you sell your education and get it's cost back?

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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It’s not free. Taxes in France are massive. It’s one of the highest tax to GDP in the world. That and inflexible labour law also comes at an additional cost: high unemployement and sluggish growth even when the whole world is doing great.

Yes, whole world is doing great, by which you mean China with 6,9%, Romania 6,9%, India with 6,6% and not USA with 2,3%. (Which is better than usual. 2017 numbers.) Growth is not tied to employment policy, but only cost of labor. It correlates almost 1:1 as selfish big businesses move or outsource where it's cheaper. (Including big tax breaks. USA doesn't have these enough to balance very expensive employment.) Examp…

Clearly, it’s easier to grow when you start out poor, as you can play catch up copying the solutions and technologies from rich places. It gets much harder when you’re the leader, and not only you cannot copy tech from others, but you can’t even depend on them using you for cheap labor.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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The second decile in the US had in 2017 a wealth of $4798 (-962 for the first decile), while in France in 2015 the second decile had E12900, E4300 for the first decile. And, you know, access to health care :-)

France is above the EU average. Probably more comparable to a large, above-average US state.

France's GDP per capita is definitely lower than the US, by a substantial amount.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Why is a house an asset but an education isn't? Do you think a potential spouse would pass over the neurosurgeon?

A house is a nearly guaranteed asset. The value will likely steadily rise throughout the years, and with good homeowners insurance you'll get paid even if the house is destroyed. An education guarantees nothing. The neurosurgeon could die, or suffer an injury preventing them from performing surgery, or just plain quit and decide to pursue art instead. Of course the neurosurgeon has a significantly higher potential fu…

I see how a house can be considered an asset but if you sell your house where do you live? Sure you can downsize but it's still not purely an asset, you are using it at least in part to fulfill a basic human need.
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