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Airbnb Announces Intention to Become a Publicly-Traded Company During 2020

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> random people are trying to manage 15+ listings in many cities. They're just normal professional hotels / hostels / BNB now > 'adventure' given by some random guy with no professional experience. The tour I went on was with actual professionals Point being, Airbnb may be same feature wise, but the offerings have become more professional, which for me personally defeats the purpose of Airbnb.

Airbnb has the benefit of a much better UI and UX compared to several over hotel aggregators like booking.com or expedia, or even domestic ones here in Japan like rakuten or jalan. The only thing that annoys me the Airbnb booking experience, is that it's not really a booking, it's putting in a booking request and then waiting for the owners to approve. Compared to regular hotels.

> The only thing that annoys me the Airbnb booking experience, is that it's not really a booking, it's putting in a booking request and then waiting for the owners to approve. Compared to regular hotels.

Regular hotels might not always be a live booking either. Every once in a while, someone misses a fax. Usually a real hotel has some slack to fix things when some one comes in with a reservation that didn't get booked.

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Something I've long wondered about in Airbnb's communication platform and guarding their earnings: When a host answers a customer and attempts to put a phone number, an email address, a URL, the word "craigslist", or spelling out a number like three six seven..., it gets replaced by "(HIDDEN FOR YOUR PROTECTION)". The frustration at that point leads one to suspect that it's actually hidden to prevent anything that co…

I used to work at Airbnb.

While certainly it’s in Airbnb’s financial interests to keep transactions on platform, I saw a great deal of cases where fraudulent hosts (with fake listings) were encouraging folks to make off platform payments. Of course the first thing most guests do in those cases is complain to Airbnb and demand their money back — as if Airbnb had taken their money. Putting some friction helps Airbnb say, “We’re sorry that happened, but that’s not our problem.”

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Something I've long wondered about in Airbnb's communication platform and guarding their earnings: When a host answers a customer and attempts to put a phone number, an email address, a URL, the word "craigslist", or spelling out a number like three six seven..., it gets replaced by "(HIDDEN FOR YOUR PROTECTION)". The frustration at that point leads one to suspect that it's actually hidden to prevent anything that co…

eBay has done this for years as well.

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I am a big time traveler. When AirBnB appeared on the scene, it was a life changing event for me. So much better then hotels. Since then, AirBnB have not added anything that benefits me. But booking.com have catched up massively. To the point that I prefer booking.com again these days. I would have never expected that to happen. Some of my pet peeves with AirBnB: AirBnB's reviews are not chronological. So you have to…

I feel the same way. Some of my fondest travel memories are staying in airbnbs. But in the past few years, at a seemingly accelerating pace, what an airbnb is has changed. In the last few years when I've used them, not all but almost all of them have simply been unlicensed hotels run by investor-landlords who aren't present and at best will pay someone else to come meet you with a key, but usually just leave it in a…

The problem is the old airbnb that you describe would probably cap at a few billion $ market cap. The one with investor-landlords optimizing everything and squeezing out every last bit of profit gets airbnb closer to that juicy $35B exit that their investors are looking for.

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I really really love Airbnb, and I've mostly stayed at Airbnb and ignored hotel in the last 5 years perhaps. I now find hotels dirty, impersonal, and a chore to stay at to be honest. Now, I've become increasingly irritated by Airbnb's pricing tactics. They are blatantly lying to you when it comes to how much you're going to pay. I have two recent examples if you are not used to booking Airbnb: * 99$/night room end up…

Yeah, it's the same reason tipping exists, and resort fees exist. They do it because it helps them make more money by tricking people into thinking it's cheaper than what it actually is.

Pretty sure Airbnb has A/B test results somewhere to back that up.

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We've been using AirBnB's for maybe 95% of our vacation stays since 2016. I think many of the comments here are spot on w/r to weird fees and semi-pro "hoteliers" with multiple properties and so on. Some thoughts from staying at a few dozen different places all over the world:

- The quality of places we've gotten in the U.S. has in general been lower and not entirely matching the description. With a couple exceptions, the U.S. AirBnB's have definitely been...not great. But we feel pressured to leave good reviews so that the host leaves us good counter review so that other hosts will make sure to book us.

- Outside of the U.S., the experience has been almost universally great. Better on average than hotels for the same price. Bigger, better locations, better prices, and so on.

- We've definitely moved from "spare room" to "entire place" and been much happier and less awkward feeling for everybody involved. However, some of the more memorably places have been meeting people in the places we stay.

- Some of the nicest places we've stayed were flats in Europe where the owner has taken a job in some other country and rents their place out on AirBnB. There was a particularly fantastic 6 days in Vienna in a two bedroom flat with a full kitchen, clothes washer, free parking, and a fully furnished living room, a 5 minute walk from the tram and a short 15 minute ride to the city center under $65 a night...absolutely insane.

- We've definitely stayed at places where we were instructed to say "we're friends of so and so". It felt weird, but we've never had a problem and we try to be particularly quiet and respectful of the community we're staying in. Still, it needs to be worked out and I can definitely see the side of other people who live in the building not liking it.

- I'm aware that AirBnB is not helping anybody's housing costs. On the flip side it definitely seems to be revitalizing some other housing markets in interesting neighborhoods. One enterprising place we stayed in Budapest was slowly being bought, renovated and flipped a flat at a time and some locals mentioned that the neighborhood has gone from run down to revitalized with all the new foot traffic coming from a couple buildings that were going through the same strategy.

- I think Japan is the closest to regulating it correctly. They've basically said, "if you want to run an AirBnB, it's fine, but you are now a limited use hotel." Of the half dozen places we've stayed in Japan, every single one followed the new law 100% and it wasn't a huge fuss. It honestly made it more comfortable to stay in since we didn't feel like usurpers as much. Bonus, every place we stayed in was also correctly outfitted with emergency exit signs and other "hotel safety things" like fire extinguishers and so on. They can only rent out their apartments for so many days-per-year which also helps with some of the property speculation bits I think.

- We've stayed at a couple places in economically depressed communities and it was very clear that the AirBnB was a very unique economic opportunity for the owners that was bringing in much needed income that they really didn't have access to in any other way. Very memorable, positive, stays in those cases because we felt we were doing a little bit of good.

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post #110

I really really love Airbnb, and I've mostly stayed at Airbnb and ignored hotel in the last 5 years perhaps. I now find hotels dirty, impersonal, and a chore to stay at to be honest. Now, I've become increasingly irritated by Airbnb's pricing tactics. They are blatantly lying to you when it comes to how much you're going to pay. I have two recent examples if you are not used to booking Airbnb: * 99$/night room end up…

I feel the opposite and love hotels. If I wanted to clean up after myself like all my Airbnb hosts demand I’d just stay at home. I grew tired of all their demands (stripping all the beds before leaving, really?, washing all dishes, really?) and just started staying in hotels again and never looked back.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many of these pet peeves are held by the average AirBnB user? I would guess "none". These are the kinds of complaints that "power users" have because they use websites like tools. Average users don't. My mother would look at the first three reviews and consider that in-depth research. The next time she uses AirBnB, she won't notice re-listings, or removed reviews. In short, I don't think these kinds of issues are…

It didn't seem like the OP was making any kind of claim about those pet peeves being held by an average AirBnB user. In any case, it seems like a bold strategy to fight anecdata with anecdata. To that end, it doesn't look like booking.com has had any noticeable difference in google trends relative to AirBnB. [1] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

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Re: Airbnb Announces Intention to Become a Publicly-Traded Company During 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many of these pet peeves are held by the average AirBnB user? I would guess "none". These are the kinds of complaints that "power users" have because they use websites like tools. Average users don't. My mother would look at the first three reviews and consider that in-depth research. The next time she uses AirBnB, she won't notice re-listings, or removed reviews. In short, I don't think these kinds of issues are…

It didn't seem like the OP was making any kind of claim about those pet peeves being held by an average AirBnB user. In any case, it seems like a bold strategy to fight anecdata with anecdata. To that end, it doesn't look like booking.com has had any noticeable difference in google trends relative to AirBnB. [1] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

>It didn't seem like the OP was making any kind of claim about those pet peeves being held by an average AirBnB user.

Definitely not. They made valid points and I was sharing some thoughts of my own.

>In any case, it seems like a bold strategy to fight anecdata with anecdata.

I don't have evidence as strong as anecdata. I am making assumptions.

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post #112

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AirBnB clearly uses low room rates and high service fees to pull you in, but there's a legitimate reason to display it like that. The cleaning fee is fixed. So maybe you start out thinking you'll stay 5 days, but end up staying 10. If they showed "all inclusive" rates you'd have confusion in the other direction. What you thought was the cheap hotel suddenly isn't because the cleaning fee for the two is very different…

The legitimate reason is that momentum causes even frustrated and annoyed people to finish most transactions even after they realize that AirBNB has tricked them about the price. Let's not pretend there's something nobler then that. The whole travel industry is chock full of this bullshit where vendors hide the full price (taxes, resort fees, etc.). It sucks.

Working for an OTA for the last 5 years I can confirm this. Also, stay away from travel insurance, cancellation protection, or whatever else they call it. It's a scam.

And yes, as a previous user stated, it's very easy for us developers to include the fees and taxes in the average rate display. Fees are either fixed dollar amounts or a percentage of the room charge. It's trivial to add this into the average rate per night. Our corporate overlords instruct/force us not to.

Furthermore, my advice is to avoid the major OTAs such as Expedia. First, they engage in price-fixing. Hotels are not allowed to display prices cheaper than they appear in Expedia, otherwise they are threatened with delisting. Expedia calls this their "rate parity" policy. They should be taken to court by the DOJ. Second, they take a massive percentage from hotels as commission. Use Expedia to find availability, but then go direct to the hotel. Also, because hotels know they are getting absolutely FUCKED by Expedia. They will not put inventory on Expedia during peak seasons. They know they can get max occupancy without being charged a 30% by Expedia. Ski resort hotels are a prime example, but there are several other cases. In short fuck Expedia and probably AirBnB too.

Just google "expedia price fixing" and the list goes on, here is the most recent one: https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2019/05/09/29082...

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