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US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

This doesn't seem to account for debt, does anyone have stats on debt in Europe?

How about this. Household debt to disposable income. US seems to be in the middle.

https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-debt.htm

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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How does this reconcile with the data listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe... ? That shows $530,244 for Switzerland and $403,974 for US. Difference in sampling or does the wiki one not reflect net wealth?

Wikipedia source is from 2018.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

I like how they calculated consumption, rather than income or net wealth. That's a more honest way of comparing poverty in different countries.

Is consumption defined as spending, though? If an apple costs $1 in the US but 25 cents in Europe, and a poor person in each place is provided a free apple by the government, did the poor person in the US have 4 times the consumption?

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't seem to account for debt, does anyone have stats on debt in Europe?

How about this. Household debt to disposable income. US seems to be in the middle. https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-debt.htm

That's again average, not median.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Are they including the billionaires in their statistics, and dividing the total sum by the population!?

As much as I hate the anti-US tone on HN, this article is kind of crap. Fact is, getting good wealth data is really hard. Income is much easier as the govt collects that data.

I do agree with you, but I must point out that hiding income from the government is a very common practice. Probably a quarter of the people I know have significant under-the-counter income sources they feel no need to include in their taxes.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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I suspect using the median net assets instead of the average would lead to vastly different results.

God only knows what we Americans (and Canadians, for that matter) are doing with our disposable income, but the median Schweizer, Norwegian, American, Australian, or Canadian is doing pretty great.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_c...

P.S: Be wary of comparisons of household anything, especially over time. Household size has changed dramatically over the recent decades.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how they calculated consumption, rather than income or net wealth. That's a more honest way of comparing poverty in different countries.

Is consumption defined as spending, though? If an apple costs $1 in the US but 25 cents in Europe, and a poor person in each place is provided a free apple by the government, did the poor person in the US have 4 times the consumption?

The way you adjust for the first effect is to adjust by Purchasing Power Parity, which they did.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

I like how they calculated consumption, rather than income or net wealth. That's a more honest way of comparing poverty in different countries.

I'm not sure it's an entirely fair way to define poverty. In many parts of Europe you can have a relatively high standard of living without consuming (or even owning) all that much.

For example, you can have a high standard of living without owning a car (and all the 'consumption' that goes along with that), in cities that have good public transport, and a good infrastructure/environment for walking and cycling. In much of the US, that's difficult or impossible.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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post #8
post #2

I suspect using the median net assets instead of the average would lead to vastly different results.

Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

And you still have plenty of homesless and destitute. Pretty sad that you can't look after the most vunerable.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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post #29
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

And you still have plenty of homesless and destitute. Pretty sad that you can't look after the most vunerable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
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