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iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by jankyxenon »

delfinom wrote: post #185
teilo wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of prominent bloggers and tech news sites, including John Gruber, The Verge, and many others, got advance devices to review. This is normal, and not unique to Apple. They also get Pixels and Galaxies in advance.

Unfortunately, alot early reviewers have perverse incentive to give good reviews to continue receiving early units and getting that as revenue first.

I think Apple has plenty of incentive not to yank reviewable units from people who've gotten them early in the past, when/if they get a bad review.

Taints the whole point of doing reviews.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by petepete »

mrfusion wrote: post #46
gniv wrote: post #3

Beautiful photos, but why is the Exif scrubbed? I would have liked to see details.

By the way, what happens to exif when you upload online (or also fb or instagram)? Does it get removed or can everyone see my location?

I have an EXIF viewer browser plugin and it's interesting to see how many images online retain their metadata.

You see it in lots of places, from newspapers to forums and portfolios.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by TeMPOraL »

briandear wrote: post #118
helpPeople wrote: post #45

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Stockholm Syndrome? But yes, it's good that you were able to see it. I find marketing unethical, most people don't even realize that they are being advertised to.

> I find marketing unethical That’s a strange view. Taken to an extreme, that would be a restaurant without an exterior sign, menus, or even a waiter explaining the food. You would literally know nothing about any product or service without marketing. Marketing is the act of “bringing a product to market.” Marketing isn’t advertising. A farmer displaying tomatoes on a table at a farmers market is marketing. A farmer…

You're, perhaps unintentionally, doing a bait-and-switch argument. Sure, communicating about the availability of a product is important; in fact, it's crucial for functioning of a market. But this is not what marketing, or advertising in particular, is about in the real world. It's not what people mean by these words.

I wrote about it some time ago at length[0]; skim the list and tell me how any of that - all of which is common practice and what you get to work on if you become a marketer - how any of that can be justified on the grounds of just "communicating about the availability of a product"?

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[0] - http://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by llampx »

scott_s wrote: post #112
leesalminen wrote: post #90

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How did he get hands on a phone that hasn’t been released yet if Apple didn’t provide it?

That's fair, it may be a provided phone. But then that puts him in a similar situation as any site that has a review for the phone now. You know his relationship with the phone itself and Apple. Consider his review with that perspective - but I still think it's a valid review .

It is a completely ridiculous breathless review of a phone that matches a Pixel or Huawei from 1-2 years ago.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by toasterlovin »

delfinom wrote: post #185
teilo wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of prominent bloggers and tech news sites, including John Gruber, The Verge, and many others, got advance devices to review. This is normal, and not unique to Apple. They also get Pixels and Galaxies in advance.

Unfortunately, alot early reviewers have perverse incentive to give good reviews to continue receiving early units and getting that as revenue first.

That doesn't make their reviews advertisements.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by toasterlovin »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #180
dadarepublic wrote: post #144

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The assertion by the original commenter was that this article was an "advertisement" - meaning paid. While the article may well serve as a function of marketing because some pro photographer got a loner from Apple and wrote up a gushing review. I don't believe the word "advertisement" holds water. I think this comment said it best: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21016402

Ads don't have to be paid. Promo-for-product is still an ad - sometimes called an advertorial. It's unprofessional at best and dishonest at worst to pretend that this isn't just corporate PR. And ironically, the image quality really isn't all that amazing. It's +/- other phone cams - better in some conditions, not as good in others. And in absolute terms, these photos are nowhere close to the sharpness, dynamic range…

PR and advertising are not the same thing. Seeding review units to product reviewers is part of effective PR for consumer electronics. It isn't advertising, though. Standard practice (at least among Apple reviewers) is for the devices to be returned after some period of time.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by Frondo »

jodrellblank wrote: post #148
briandear wrote: post #118

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> I find marketing unethical That’s a strange view. Taken to an extreme, that would be a restaurant without an exterior sign, menus, or even a waiter explaining the food. You would literally know nothing about any product or service without marketing. Marketing is the act of “bringing a product to market.” Marketing isn’t advertising. A farmer displaying tomatoes on a table at a farmers market is marketing. A farmer…

> You would literally know nothing about any product or service without marketing. We can hardly imagine such bliss. Pop quiz: does anybody imagine marketing or advertising would exist in a) paradise, b) utopia, c) Heaven? > A farmer buying billboard space with a photo of his tomatoes is advertising. There isn’t anything unethical about either practice. Plastering every available surface by a road or in a common area…

People wouldn't need to spend significant portions of their precious life making, moving, and selling things to others in paradise, utopia, or Heaven. Of course there would be no advertising, there'd be no treadmill of consumerism to necessitate such a thing.

Now, what that says about how far we are from paradise, heaven, or utopia here...

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by toasterlovin »

matwood wrote: post #113
ldrndll wrote: post #89

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Yeah, exactly this. I mostly take photos of my kids using Portrait mode on the iPhone. People often comment on how good the photos look, and I’ve done nothing special beyond switch to Portrait mode.

And photo purists complain about portrait mode on the iPhone all the time. For the everyday picture taker, the phones we have in our pockets are amazing.

It's insane. I don't have a professional photographer to take pictures of my kids. I have me and my phone. Anything that makes those pictures look better is something I will appreciate for the rest of my life as I look at and revisit those photos.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by Synaesthesia »

post_break wrote: post #59

What I'd like to see is a direct comparison of an Xs running neuralcam and the 11 night mode. I've taken a couple of photos so far and the app has done wonders. https://imgur.com/a/BwvW6J8

Nice one, I’ve been looking for an app like that. The new iPhone does seem like it has a great camera but I wish Apple would bring “night mode” for all the other iPhones.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by Synaesthesia »

truth_seeker wrote: post #26

I recently started appreciating 60fps screen but, iPhone 11 came up with 240 fps Galaxy Note10+ came up with 960fps and now Huawei Mate 30 Pro with 7680 fps

That high FPS mode will be at a tiny resolution and need tons of light. Still interesting of course.

Edit: I stand corrected it’s still 720p

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