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Spray-on liquid glass is about to revolutionize almost everything

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Re: Spray-on liquid glass is about to revolutionize almost everything

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Post by yungchin »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #13
juiceandjuice wrote: post #6

The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects of nano materials worries me, especially with stuff like this and "nanocosmetic" materials. I'd just hate to find out 20 years down the road that all of our miracle materials were slowly killing us.

The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects of wifi worries me, especially with stuff like this and "cellular" phones. The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects of CRT screens worries me, especially with stuff like this and "digital" displays. The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects of GMO food worries me... The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects…

What are you trying to say? That there are things that we know are not carcinogenic, such as wifi signals, and therefore, nothing is??

I think it was a perfectly valid comment: we really don't understand biological interactions at nanostructured interfaces all that well. See eg. all these hand-waving explanations for the supposed toxicity of carbon nanotubes http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080520/full/news.2008.845.ht...

(btw, CRT screens emit beta radiation, so if you'd sit close enough...)

Re: Spray-on liquid glass is about to revolutionize almost everything

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Post by juiceandjuice »

ellyagg wrote: post #26
jbri wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of understanding about possible adverse effects of asbestos worries me... Oh wait, it is actually pretty nasty stuff. Now, while the "20 years down the road" thing is a bit silly, a lack of understanding about potential adverse effects is a reason to investigate further, not to dismiss anyone who's cautious about it as paranoid.

Society's track record is pretty good, then. Deaths attributable to asbestos are extremely rare in the scheme of things. Sensational headlines and ambulance chasing lawyers fool our primitive brain's broken probabilistic reasoning circuitry into making bad risk assessments. Given the overwhelming improvement in health and lifespan due to new material development and widespread use, I'd say we've been consistently mak…

Extremely rare compared to what? Compared to the entire population of the United States? Maybe. Compared to the population of those directly and continuously exposed? Not so much. We don't use that much asbestos anymore for a reason, and it's not because we found something better to replace it.

I'm not advocating we abandon nanomaterial research by any means. I'm hoping that it's widespread use and adoption doesn't outpace research of it's effects on humans given it's similarities with asbestos.

Re: Spray-on liquid glass is about to revolutionize almost everything

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Post by phlux »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #9

Yawn... I always see claims like this made about almost every new advance in materials science, but I hardly ever see these products reach the market.

That's because they are NANO - of course you can't see them - they are far too small.

Re: Spray-on liquid glass is about to revolutionize almost everything

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Post by tbrownaw »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #13
juiceandjuice wrote: post #6

The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects of nano materials worries me, especially with stuff like this and "nanocosmetic" materials. I'd just hate to find out 20 years down the road that all of our miracle materials were slowly killing us.

The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects of wifi worries me, especially with stuff like this and "cellular" phones. The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects of CRT screens worries me, especially with stuff like this and "digital" displays. The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects of GMO food worries me... The lack of understanding about possible cancerous effects…

Yup, it's probably no more dangerous than printer toner or asbestos or coal dust...

Wifi is known to be safe; we understand what makes UV and higher frequency light dangerous, and know that radio frequencies are fine (ionizing vs non-ionizing). CRT screens I believe use leaded glass to block the xrays they'd otherwise bombard you with.

I'd guess GMO foods are about as safe as anything else intentionally made poisonous to insects and other field pests.

Re: Spray-on liquid glass is about to revolutionize almost everything

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Post by phlux »

>Other outlets, such as many supermarkets, may be unwilling to stock the products because they make enormous profits from cleaning products that need to be replaced regularly, and liquid glass would make virtually all of them obsolete.

I dont get it, I ahve a glass sink and counter in my bathroom at home. I still have to clean them.

Every mirror I have ever had has been glass - I still windex them.

All my drinks at home are served to me in nothing but the finest crystal - I still have my help clean them.

etc....

Re: Spray-on liquid glass is about to revolutionize almost everything

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Post by ximeng »

steveklabnik wrote: post #14
morganpyne wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, well caught. I normally check the dates but didn't notice this was already a year old. Sorry for the old dupe. Wonder if it's now actually available anywhere. The description of this stuff is almost unbelievable and I wonder if they have found any downsides to it in the past year.

No worries, it's really cool stuff. I haven't heard of any further developments yet.

http://www.nanopool.eu/en/news/57-end-of-year-review-2010

Here's their year-end review: a burst of publicity in February, and then hardly anything apart from a November article in "Cleanroom Technology". They're using it to coat toys in a children's hospital allowing kids that would not normally be allowed to play with the toys at all to use them.

Re: Spray-on liquid glass is about to revolutionize almost everything

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Post by civilian »

jjcm wrote: post #29

What if it flakes off? How structurally stable is it? If a wide variety of things start using it, will it increase the risk of silicosis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicosis ) when using these products?

Just guessing: But I think the flakes that cause silicosis are much larger than something 15-30 molecules wide.
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