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This sounds like a great weekend project idea: a website that captures removed reviews from Glassdoor and computes a real rating.

fakespot.com but for companies.

If FakeSpot is doing well enough to be hiring people, this weekend project might actually have business value to it.

Re: 200k people applied for jobs at Amazon in a single week

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*Shortage of qualified people. I pity the people that have to filter that.

It's crazy what people think is acceptable. At least half of all the people that apply to our junior positions cannot answer simple question such as "how would you find the first "42" in an array of integers, and give me the index". If they don't have an idea of how to count with a for loop and write an if statement, they're not qualified for programming. Some even ask if they can take the "assignment" home and get b…

Well I don't know, I recently interviewed on a phone interview and then they wanted me to do some coding during the phone call through some shared codepen solution, what they wanted was not much more complicated then what you describe and something I should be able to do with eyes closed.

Really it was exactly in my wheelhouse where I do things a thousand times more complicated every day to general acclaim of the people I work with.

And I had the panic/freezing thing I've read about other people having before but never experienced (at least not that extreme) and as a result I totally flopped. I mean I sort of did what was wanted but not completely. I'm not explaining exactly what it was they wanted because it is too embarrassing to even talk about.

This has made me consider that maybe the number of applicants I hear about who cannot do the simplest thing has to do with some sort of personal panic/problem/not liking the particular testing method and not some actual permanent incapacity.

on edit: and not just embarrassing but also distressing like a guitarist suddenly unable to play guitar. It is actually hard to describe what the experience was.

Re: 200k people applied for jobs at Amazon in a single week

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>Entry level programmer jobs in Texas will get 2000 applications There are some major Corporations here in DFW, some that have hired 1000's of H1B's (Car companies, Airlines, etc). It doesn't surprise me that Americans are desperate for work.

So what. F-1s, OPTs, H1B, are people too and as a rule are taking an enormous risk in life uprooting to a new country and a different language. Most of them have advanced degrees. Hundreds of them apply to open jobs too. They are human beings, and there are a lot of human beings - regardless of arbitrary imaginary lines that divide us - who are looking for work.

But when hired, they become tied to a company in a way that the average worker is not, pushing down wages. If they have a rare skill set the US is missing, it is better for both them and the workers they compete with if they are allowed to move over here without being tied to the specific employer, so the employer cannot use that as leverage to push down their compensation, and thus market compensation.

Re: 200k people applied for jobs at Amazon in a single week

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>The link you're showing me shows average wages for the H1-B group near $80k for all occupations. You might not understand how things work. The wages are representative of what the staffing firms who contract out the labor charge for the H1B employee. They make substantially less than $80k even though that's the rate a company pays to avoid hiring a US employee.

that doesn't change the economics at all. the money paid to the worker through a middle-man has no bearing on the labor market as seen by the company and their bottom-line. You could send your paycheck into the incinerator every month... it makes no difference. as you say the $80k is the rate to avoid hiring a US employee. maybe that's lower than what it would be with no h1-b, but then what are these displaced americ…

>what are these displaced american workers doing for more than $80k?

Being unemployed and making 0k. Avoiding hiring US employees for over $80k doesn't mean they're hiring those who accept below $80k. They're not being considered for those jobs at all in the first place. I assure you there are legions of very smart lawyers who work very hard on the process for employers - I would know, I've prepared the petitions, and the sham job postings with intentionally obscure and unnecessary skill requirements placed in print newspapers when the H-1B worker was our client and already chosen for the job ahead of time. There is often no intention to consider American workers. There are entire IT departments at companies like Disney, for instance, that are de-facto off limits to American workers. H-1B workers are very attractive to employers not just for the low wages, but also for the fact that they're dependent on the particular company sponsoring them and will often stick around forever and endure the shitty wages, hours, and work environment.

Re: 200k people applied for jobs at Amazon in a single week

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Not to hijack, but do you or your spouse have an opinion on the WSJ story about companies intensely curating their reviews (maybe even paying/threatening the employees and/or Glassdoor)? I noticed a local company I follow had fluctuating review counts between 30-45. I wrote a web scraper to see if reviews were being taken down, and for this company, over 20 1 or 2 star reviews have been taken down, but any new 5 star…

I can confirm this. I personally know of two companies were accurate but negative reviews were taken down by Glassdoor. One was the company I worked for. In this case it was triggered at the request of the CEO, who was heavily criticized in the reviews. He made HR sign up for a Glassdoor Premium account, so that they took the reviews down. All negative reviews were 100% accurate from my point of view and not insultin…

So Glassdoor is pay for prestige.

Re: 200k people applied for jobs at Amazon in a single week

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I can confirm this. I personally know of two companies were accurate but negative reviews were taken down by Glassdoor. One was the company I worked for. In this case it was triggered at the request of the CEO, who was heavily criticized in the reviews. He made HR sign up for a Glassdoor Premium account, so that they took the reviews down. All negative reviews were 100% accurate from my point of view and not insultin…

So Glassdoor is pay for prestige.

Just like Yelp. Quite tragic that this is the business model that seems to succeed.. if the law protected individuals over corporate greed, this tactic would be illegal.

Re: 200k people applied for jobs at Amazon in a single week

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This is not unusual. My spouse works for Glassdoor. Entry level programmer jobs in Texas will get 2000 applications (not bots) within about 72 hours. Desperate people from all over the US. I think at one time the advice to “play the numbers game” was correct for online job apps. Not anymore. Even more saddening, Glassdoor uses a temp/test sample job ad. It’s for cat sitting. $15/hr. That will get hundreds of apps in…

How is "playing the numbers game" no longer the good advice? This article (and your comments) only seem to cement that idea further.

When there are 20 qualified applicants per job you can apply to dozens or hundreds of jobs and beat or negate the unfavorable numbers. When there are hundreds or thousands of applicants for jobs, you can't apply for tens of thousands of jobs. The listings just don't exist. Your only real chance is to find an inside connection and skip the anonymous application portal.

Re: 200k people applied for jobs at Amazon in a single week

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My friend’s wife took almost 8 months to find a production support job. Why are jobs so hard to get these days? Is it because competition is so high and for a single job there are 20 applicants?

- H1Bs are cheaper to hire and take the place of American jobs (though to a far lesser degree than you'll hear during this upcoming election - Everyone is preparing for a recession (for the last three years now) - Jobs are posted online and get tons of applicants now. That makes it easier to switch cities and not have to go through a period of unemployment but that also means they get tons of applicants. Are many of…

>Are many of them bots? You bet.

Why would someone create bots that apply to jobs? Just nuisance or any intention behind it?

Re: 200k people applied for jobs at Amazon in a single week

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Great clickbait. The first sentence provides crucial context - Amazon wants to hire 30K. So they had, on average, about 7 applications for every job. That actually doesn't seem so great. It's even less impressive when it's incredibly easy to get a ton of low-quality matches when recruiting. So if Amazon execs wanted to tout a big number of applications they could just advertise these positions in a wildly aggressive…

but were all 30k jobs listed? I'm assuming the positions listed were nowhere near close to the positions they need to hire for. As in, they probably havent even listed for a lot of the roles. That said, I really didn't read the article :o

You can assume if they wanted to hire 30k people they probably have a listing that applies to more than one position.
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