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iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by pwython »

sh-run wrote: post #135
wrboyce wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gruber has the originals on his review: https://daringfireball.net/2019/09/the_iphone_11_and_iphones...

People have always questioned the usefulness of smaller sensor cameras (Ie M43) with the improvement in cellphone cameras, but it looks like I'll still carry my Olympus EM5.2 when I travel. The iPhone 11 gets great social media photos, but I wouldn't want to get any of those printed (at least not larger than 4x6). Of course the best camera is the one you have with you so I am still happy to see the improvements over…

M43 cameras are still relevant as the depth of field blur in these phone cameras is faked, sometimes with odd results. An f/1.8 aperture on most camera sensors translates to something like an f/8 full frame equivalent (for comparison, f/1.8 on M43 looks like f/3.6 on full frame). It still lets the same amount of light in, but there's no shallow depth/blur.

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Post by joeyprr »

dadarepublic wrote: post #102
mewse-hn wrote: post #41

How could anyone read this without knowing it's an advertisement: "today I’m just as thrilled to be putting an entirely new Ultra Wide lens in my pocket. It gives us another format to tell the story, another perspective to visualize, and a better rounded tool for doing our best creative work."

You sound mad. Are you mad at Apple? Mad at some random pro photographer who obviously likes Apple? It reads like a photographer who is a fan of Apple's camera tech. Shows some very nice photos (bc he's a pro or something I gather). Not an "advertisement". I can't see where any money changed hands from Apple to this photographer to write what he did. And I'm sure everyone who is a fan of shooting on Android phones wi…

To be completely honest, your comment makes me think you're the one who's mad... or at least not very sane; you're assuming a person is mad about something based on 1 whole sentence (a sentence people seem to agree with) and proceed to go on a rant in which you ask the same question 3 times!

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Post by scarface74 »

extesy wrote: post #155
scott_s wrote: post #112

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That's fair, it may be a provided phone. But then that puts him in a similar situation as any site that has a review for the phone now. You know his relationship with the phone itself and Apple. Consider his review with that perspective - but I still think it's a valid review .

And now if he doesn't write a glorious review then he won't be ever contacted by Apple again in the future. Really hard to trust objectivity of his review in these circumstances.

The review by John Gruber of the Touch Bar based MacBook was critical of the feel of the keyboard - this was before the actual reliability problems came up.

He along with everyone else was critical of the first Apple Watch.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/05/03/patel-apple-wat...

Seeing that he still not only gets review units every year, he gets the prime live interview every year after WWDC with top Apple executives, I don’t think he has been blacklisted.

Not to mention that Marco Arment is often critical of Apple and got a review unit of the Mac Mini last year.

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Post by turtlebits »

anonu wrote: post #137

Its amazing to me that the smartphone wars are now just about cameras.... and more broadly content generation. It also amazes me that everyone's is wooed over these iPhone specs. I've had my OnePlus 7T Pro for a few months now. Most of the top-line specs match or beat the new iPhone. Nightscape on the OnePlus is also amazing - takes great low light photos. Seems like iPhone has been chasing some of the more advanced…

It's because processor performance and screens are already way past good enough. My phone is 2 generations old and is fast enough. The only thing I would possibly wish for is a better camera.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by _ph_ »

jonlucc wrote: post #4

The photography in these kinds of reviews is amazing, and the camera looks pretty stellar compared to the XS, but I find myself reading them wondering if it will make my pictures any better. I'm a mediocre photographer at best, and I'm certainly not going to be able to capture many images like the ones in this review.

Of course, these photographs first show how good a photographer the author is :). But to get these results, the camera needs to be good enough, and they are stunning for smartphone pictures, especially in low light. Also, the comparisons with the XS show, how much progress has been made.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by rolltiide »

jonlucc wrote: post #4

The photography in these kinds of reviews is amazing, and the camera looks pretty stellar compared to the XS, but I find myself reading them wondering if it will make my pictures any better. I'm a mediocre photographer at best, and I'm certainly not going to be able to capture many images like the ones in this review.

The Lighting at the time is more important than the lens being used

The Lens being used is more important than the camera sensor being used

The camera sensor is more important than the camera body being used

Stick to this fundamental reality in that order and the novelty of “a pHoNE dID ThIs” wears off quick.

Now, I can say that the depth cameras and non-destructive software depth processing is getting some amazing effects and enhancements outside of this framework.

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Post by m0skit0 »

I never considered the camera when buying a phone, and in fact would love a price discount in higher phone models with a cheaper or even no cameras.

Question for professional photographers from someone that has no idea about photography: why would you use a phone when you can use your professional camera?

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Post by mcphage »

m000 wrote: post #138
mfer wrote: post #96

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Does the author have a bias? Certainly. Is this an advertisement? Ads are paid announcements. There was nothing noting it was paid for in any capacity. There's a difference between an ad and a bias. I find it useful to notice biases because we all have them. Ads are quite different.

Ok, it's not an ad. It's an advertorial. Happy now? And he's just beating the strawman with his review. - Did we need a "review" to learn that the new iPhone can shoot better pictures than previous iPhones? - Where are all the full-resolution pictures–especially from the night shots? Everything looks nice and sharp if you scale it to 750x560. Even for the single lens camera of my 3 years-old android. - Would it break…

> Would it break Apple's heart to include a comparison of their "pro camera" with a real professional camera? Even a low-end one.

Why would they? That's not who they're competing against.

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Post by gnomesteel »

m0skit0 wrote: post #167

I never considered the camera when buying a phone, and in fact would love a price discount in higher phone models with a cheaper or even no cameras. Question for professional photographers from someone that has no idea about photography: why would you use a phone when you can use your professional camera?

>why would you use a phone when you can use your professional camera?

Most don't. Having a great smartphone camera is mostly about convince for pros. It's always there, and sometimes your pro camera isn't.

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Post by pentae »

ioulian wrote: post #75

The pictures do look good, the colors are nice and the small image on the page is nice. But I haven't seen any 100% crops or full images. it's there that you'll see that the image is worse than a DSLR or another camera with a big lens and sensor. I can get nice pictures (= vibrant and nice colors) with any camera, what I can't get is a sharp image, with sharp edges. I went to a trip with my Android Phone and DSLR, an…

An iPhone 6 has a dxomark score of 73, last years iPhone XS Max was 106.. the 11 pro will see an even higher score than last years model so comparing the current lineup to an iPhone 6 isn't a fair comparison anymore imho
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